William 1867 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 We are paying supporters and expect the best players to be in the team. If the younger players are good enough only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, toppOwl said: Didn't Carlos get dogs abuse for doing exactly what you said in the OP and not playing youngsters. Yeah, absolutely! It's called "Damned when you do, Damned when you don't". Folk ought to wake up and realise that the reason the club is now in a financial pickle is because we have been historically fecking useless at nurturing talent. The way forward is to develop a group of youngsters that can be sold on later (just like other clubs do that work on a more sustainable basis than us). If that means accepting mid table mediocrity for a few seasons, so be it. In the long run, I am sure that it is the route most beneficial to the club. Casing point is Westwood. Yes, he might currently be a better keeper than Cameron but going forwards, he's worth nowt to us. Even if he was getting picked, it is unlikely with the group of players we have, he could or would make enough of a difference to push for promotion. The squad had mid table written all over it. So we may as well try to develop a longer term strategy and players that will have a future resale value such that the additional revenue can then be ploughed back into the club and squad. Cameron makes mistakes that he gets pelters for. But he also makes some very good saves. I doubt if you compared him with say Pickford at a similar age, there would be not a lot of difference. We all know how things have gone for Pickford. We need to be doing the same and that requires tolerance of mistakes and occasional terrible results. We need to take risks on youngsters which, gladly, Jos is doing with an eye to the future. We lost 4-0 against Bristol City last season and 4-2 against QPR and still finished comfortably mid table. We have had terrible results under every manager that I can remember. Just put the last two games behind us and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 What is a surprise is that we were told when he joined that Luhukay was very much his own man. Not sure but I think he left Stuttgart after a very short while because of others meddling in transfer targets. Yet here he seems to be a complete "Yes" man. At the Pre-match press conference today we need to hear journalists asking questions such as Is Hutchinson fit to play at St Andrews? If Hutchinson is available will he be in the squad for St Andrews? If not why not? Will Boyd be in the squad? If not why not? Will Jones be in the squad the aquad? If not why not? Will Westwood be in the squad the aquad? If not why not? Have you considered our best centre backs Lees and Hector playing as a two in central defense? Is Keiron Lee's injury a new one or the old hip problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: Another poster who.thinks Westwood situation is down to Jos Like Hirst before him, Westwood is all about Chansiri and his ego and showing who is in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toppOwl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, S36 OWL said: Like Hirst before him, Westwood is all about Chansiri and his ego and showing who is in charge. Thats all speculation though, we have no idea why its happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I can't believe people still think that Jos is choosing not to play Westwood. The real reason is so blindingly obvious, why can't some see it? Do you honestly believe that a manager is going to prefer a young keeper with almost zero experience to an international who is widely regarded as one of the best players at the club? Stop being daft and believing what the club say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Whitechapel Owl said: I can't believe people still think that Jos is choosing not to play Westwood. The real reason is so blindingly obvious, why can't some see it? Do you honestly believe that a manager is going to prefer a young keeper with almost zero experience to an international who is widely regarded as one of the best players at the club? Stop being daft and believing what the club say. Ok, so explain what the real reason is. It's blindingly obvious so you shouldn't have any problem.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, prowl said: Ok, so explain what the real reason is. It's blindingly obvious so you shouldn't have any problem.. I'll give you a clue. It starts with an M and ends with a Y. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Whitechapel Owl said: I'll give you a clue. It starts with an M and ends with a Y. Without knowing details of Westwood's contract there is no way of verifying that. It may be true but it's not blindingly obvious, it could be a difference of opinion, Westy is well known for being abrasive. It could genuinely be that the club wants to blood the young keepers and let them gain experience this year when we know we aren't really pushing for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Manage all the players at your disposal - yeah if only it was that bloody easy, why don’t you have a go yeah Edited October 25, 2018 by FreshOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, prowl said: Without knowing details of Westwood's contract there is no way of verifying that. It may be true but it's not blindingly obvious, it could be a difference of opinion, Westy is well known for being abrasive. It could genuinely be that the club wants to blood the young keepers and let them gain experience this year when we know we aren't really pushing for promotion. There's no way of verifying many things in life so we come to conclusions based on the evidence in front of us. To me it's obvious that Westwood was frozen out to try and force him out in the last transfer window, this all happened (even though we didn't know it at the time) when we were under an embargo and the club was under huge pressure to trim the wage bill. The chairman and possibly Jos clearly decided that we have 2 decent young keepers at the club and in their opinion could cope without him. A move never materialised as is football, so he remains at the club, still frozen out and we'll try and move him on again in January. I just can't believe it is to do with ability, because it makes absolutely no sense that Jos would think those 2 inexperienced young lads are better than someone so proven in Westwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 24/10/2018 at 15:44, Heeleyowl said: You have my support whilst you are in charge but why not show us your real man management skills and make use of ALL your best resources. We have some key players who are top 6 quality but for whatever reason you won’t use them ahead of what were previously reserves or squad players - FF vs Matias, Hutch vs Thorniley and of course Westwood vs Dawson. Can we even expect Hooper & Lee (if they ever actually recover) to actually be included? You are deliberately trying to do the job with one hand behind your back. We have undoubted quality in the squad so why not show that you know how to blend experience and skill with youth and energy. Until you can show you are up to it we are mid table at absolute best. Still loyal and supportive but Very disappointing. Unfortunately as a lifelong Owl this isnt a surprise! The Manager made it clear to all the players at the club that the future belongs to the young players and any new players will be aged between 18 and 24 yrs old and fit. He is building a squad with the future in mind, not the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Dropping players is part of managing isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmason69 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The owner won't let jl pick the players he wants to play. Last season the owner stopped him playing hirst. At present we have adbi, Jones, Boyd and Westwood Blacklisted. Matias may be on the list as he's succumbed to the infamous Sheffield Wednesday training injury lies. Apparently matias is out until further notice. A real manager would have picked Hirst last season regardless of the owners jackboot style of control. I imagine the owner is a scary man given the level of control he exerts but in reality what can he do apart from sack him. Then jl gets paid off and can go public. Sadly jl hasn't the proverbials to do what needs to be done which is why the owner picked him as manager. JL was the owners choice because he's easy to control and manipulate and a voracious cheese eater. He's never going to stand up to the owner. He's always going to take the easy money and let the owner pull his strings and effectively pick the team in jl name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mrmason69 said: A real manager would have picked Hirst last season regardless of the owners jackboot style of control. Why would they? Joao and Nuhiu hit form and then Fernando came back in all guns blazing. 4 minutes ago, Mrmason69 said: JL was the owners choice because he's easy to control and manipulate and a voracious cheese eater. What?! 4 minutes ago, Mrmason69 said: He's never going to stand up to the owner. He's always going to take the easy money and let the owner pull his strings and effectively pick the team in jl name The JL who walked out on a club because or interference? I've asked you for evidence , many , many times rather than neg. Never received any. Surprisingly. ... So with that in mind. The red button is coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Whitechapel Owl said: I'll give you a clue. It starts with an M and ends with a Y. Is it summat to do wi' a Monkey??? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Whitechapel Owl said: I'll give you a clue. It starts with an M and ends with a Y. You're right. KW is one mardy poopydoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 The horrendous injury list from last season is possibly what has shaped the way Jos handles his squad selection. He will know the extent of the fragility of his squad by now.Its frustrating for us,because we want to see the best players in the best system and a settled side for each game,couple that with some planning for the future,Im sure from an FFP point,we could do with getting a few out,which may in turn free up funds for a few loans in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Time for Hutchinson to return at St Andrews. Plus Boyd and Jones on the bench not youngsters who should be out on loan learning their trade. Luhukay needs to man up and pick the best 11 playerrs avaialable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristmace Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 He isn't the manager, he's the head coach. Some decisions are being made above him and he has to lead team training and select the best side with the resources available to him. There's no way Jos has simply watched Westwood for 45 minutes in a friendly against Lincoln and then decided that he isn't even worthy of a place on the subs bench in the League Cup. The decision to freeze KW out has clearly been made upstairs and we're not party to the exact reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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