poite Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 People continue to raise the ommission of Westwood from the side and bemoan our injury list but there's one player we let go of last season who personally I believe we miss as much as anyone. Glenn Loovens Don't get me wrong. At the end of last season I'd have been one of the first to agree that loovens was past it and releasing him was the right thing to do. But that was on the assumption that we would be replacing him with someone with similar attributes. We bizarrely just didn't bother. We miss his leadership and organisation so much and think the importance of this is hugely underestimated. We have signed Hector, who despite some poor team results, has been somewhat of a shining light but I'm not sure he's the answer to filling some of the gaps left by loovens. Tom Lees is not a captain. Bannan has been suggested but I'm not totally sold on that. I think Bannan should be left to continue the great form he's been in without the added responsibility. I'm not saying that letting loovens go is the reason for our poor form but I'd be happy to bet that we'd have had a clean sheet by now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundhayowl Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Forestieri. When he features we look half decent. When he doesn’t we have nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 He was absolutely out on his arse, finished beyond repair. If he was still here and starting every week we'd have lost every game. If however, you mean the Glenn Loovens who first arrived at Hillsborough, then yes, that's exactly the sort of defender we need. At the time, a fantastic signing, and proof that you can get quality, without throwing millions at injury prone "stars" we could do with some more shrewd business like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, poite said: But that was on the assumption that we would be replacing him with someone with similar attributes. We bizarrely just didn't bother. I think the transfer embargo may have had something to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, poite said: People continue to raise the ommission of Westwood from the side and bemoan our injury list but there's one player we let go of last season who personally I believe we miss as much as anyone. Glenn Loovens Don't get me wrong. At the end of last season I'd have been one of the first to agree that loovens was past it and releasing him was the right thing to do. But that was on the assumption that we would be replacing him with someone with similar attributes. We bizarrely just didn't bother. We miss his leadership and organisation so much and think the importance of this is hugely underestimated. We have signed Hector, who despite some poor team results, has been somewhat of a shining light but I'm not sure he's the answer to filling some of the gaps left by loovens. Tom Lees is not a captain. Bannan has been suggested but I'm not totally sold on that. I think Bannan should be left to continue the great form he's been in without the added responsibility. I'm not saying that letting loovens go is the reason for our poor form but I'd be happy to bet that we'd have had a clean sheet by now. Er no. he left because he was done and now plays in an average Sunderland league 1 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 It was clear last season that Loovens' legs have gone. We wouldn't be any better off with him, in fact we'd be worse as we probably wouldn't have signed Hector. Hunt has been a bigger miss - and he wasn't even all that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, poite said: People continue to raise the ommission of Westwood from the side and bemoan our injury list but there's one player we let go of last season who personally I believe we miss as much as anyone. Glenn Loovens Don't get me wrong. At the end of last season I'd have been one of the first to agree that loovens was past it and releasing him was the right thing to do. But that was on the assumption that we would be replacing him with someone with similar attributes. We bizarrely just didn't bother. We miss his leadership and organisation so much and think the importance of this is hugely underestimated. We have signed Hector, who despite some poor team results, has been somewhat of a shining light but I'm not sure he's the answer to filling some of the gaps left by loovens. Tom Lees is not a captain. Bannan has been suggested but I'm not totally sold on that. I think Bannan should be left to continue the great form he's been in without the added responsibility. I'm not saying that letting loovens go is the reason for our poor form but I'd be happy to bet that we'd have had a clean sheet by now. Er no. he left because he was done and now plays in an average Sunderland league 1 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 What we’re missing from the vast majority of players is character, bottle and bite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The key thing we are missing is a mandaric style brain at the top of the chain...DC may have the cambio but he’s not got the football brain to run the club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Remember what we all said after the Hull play off final - the centre half, midfield beast, centre forward and fast wide man we needed to push on. We got Abdi, Jones, Fox and a couple of dude loanees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogerwyldesmullet Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Not as mysterious as that. We are missing four of our five best players: Lee Hooper Fessi and Westwood. Any team in this league in a similar position would struggle. Edited October 23, 2018 by Rogerwyldesmullet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_who Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I think Wallace has been a big miss this season. He could create something from nothing. We don’t currently have anyone that can change a game like he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_wells Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Not that mysterious... we couldn't sign anyone... we were under an embargo... also he was a total liability on the field towards the end. As a captain and a leader though - yes absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) For his positional sense yes we’re missing him, marshalling the back four we’re at sea back there, completely rudderless Edited October 23, 2018 by FreshOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, poite said: People continue to raise the ommission of Westwood from the side and bemoan our injury list but there's one player we let go of last season who personally I believe we miss as much as anyone. Glenn Loovens Don't get me wrong. At the end of last season I'd have been one of the first to agree that loovens was past it and releasing him was the right thing to do. But that was on the assumption that we would be replacing him with someone with similar attributes. We bizarrely just didn't bother. We miss his leadership and organisation so much and think the importance of this is hugely underestimated. We have signed Hector, who despite some poor team results, has been somewhat of a shining light but I'm not sure he's the answer to filling some of the gaps left by loovens. Tom Lees is not a captain. Bannan has been suggested but I'm not totally sold on that. I think Bannan should be left to continue the great form he's been in without the added responsibility. I'm not saying that letting loovens go is the reason for our poor form but I'd be happy to bet that we'd have had a clean sheet by now. I've mentioned this on a few other threads this season and tonight too bud. Great teams contain leaders players that have the character to pull others around them and galvanise them into one single entity on the pitch and also inspire them to play above their level. Look at the most successful teams, they all contained leadership in droves. Arsenal's unbeatables, man utd with Schmeichel, Bruce, pallister, Keane, Sheringham etc.. Its the main problem we have and until it is addressed were going to be inconsistent and struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: The key thing we are missing is a mandaric style brain at the top of the chain...DC may have the cambio but he’s not got the football brain to run the club!! All over it mate ^^^^^^^^^^^^ this Everyone put this in your posts and underline it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukta Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, roundhayowl said: Forestieri. When he features we look half decent. When he doesn’t we have nothing. Shame JL thinks Penny is a greater attacking threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The truth is Lees is only half the player if Loovens isn't alongside him. Lees needs bossing around, he needs a calming influence. Hector is great but in a different way to Loovens. Maybe Lees and Hector will work given time, let's hope so. We need to thoroughly overhaul the defence, it just isn't working. 3 at the back or 4 across the back, who knows but we need some organisation and a little bit of bite which we don't currently have. I'd consider bringing Westwood back to shout at the defence, if he has really lost it then give Wildsmith a shot. Nothing against Dawson, he's a good shot stopper, but we need to try something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bukta said: Shame JL thinks Penny is a greater attacking threat. No shame forestieri spends all his time injured , suspended or sulking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 47 minutes ago, poite said: People continue to raise the ommission of Westwood from the side and bemoan our injury list but there's one player we let go of last season who personally I believe we miss as much as anyone. Glenn Loovens Don't get me wrong. At the end of last season I'd have been one of the first to agree that loovens was past it and releasing him was the right thing to do. But that was on the assumption that we would be replacing him with someone with similar attributes. We bizarrely just didn't bother. We miss his leadership and organisation so much and think the importance of this is hugely underestimated. We have signed Hector, who despite some poor team results, has been somewhat of a shining light but I'm not sure he's the answer to filling some of the gaps left by loovens. Tom Lees is not a captain. Bannan has been suggested but I'm not totally sold on that. I think Bannan should be left to continue the great form he's been in without the added responsibility. I'm not saying that letting loovens go is the reason for our poor form but I'd be happy to bet that we'd have had a clean sheet by now. Loovens was shot last season, when he played h looked a liability. Vanencio was the one sorting out the defence the second half of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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