gurujuan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, jonesy87shef said: If you have injuries you’re much more likely to get injured again coming back from injuries. Especially doing an ACL. Please stop banging the Carlos isn’t to blame drum. If you don’t take fitness training and conditioning seriously, rush players back early then you get a load of injures. Those players in the future will be much more prone to injuries for the rest of their career due to poor training. I do worry and maybe somethings can improve, but he really has helped ruin a few players. Not Winnall of course. He was at Derby for months before suffering one of the most painful horrible injuries you can. I’d rather break things and do my cruciate ligament. It runs deeper than that, we have suffered plenty of injuries at development level as well This is an area Carlos wasn’t really involved with, and according to some, had very little interest in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cheshowl said: With one leg from nuhiu and one from Fernando he’ll only be able to run in circles. Will be an improvement on Nuhiu then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I think some of this is down to the type of player we've assembled over the last four years - on the whole they're not the most mobile or agile. Other than Nuihu and Reach, I can't think of any player who hasn't been injured at some point - most get injured or a rolling 4/6 month basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said: It runs deeper than that, we have suffered plenty of injuries at development level as well This is an area Carlos wasn’t really involved with, and according to some, had very little interest in. If this is the case you make a better point but I’m unaware personally of development player injuries and the players getting them persistently. Ruling out impact injures of course because they are unavoidable. If you can give me some sort of breakdown that would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) Didn't work Edited October 22, 2018 by Almat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Presumably we will have taken out insurance against injuries Thats a good point. You’d hope so, but this is Wednesday after all. Could you imagine the quote for renewals though after the last 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, royalowlisback said: Scrotum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) And again, fizz it. Edited October 22, 2018 by Almat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, jonesy87shef said: I do wonder where professionals get the graft from. I’ve had shin bone, hamstring I believe and hip bone done for my surgeries. No idea where they’d go next if I ever decided to play again. Just read this about grafts, I wonder if they had to dig up the donor The patellar ligament, tibialis anterior tendon, or Achilles tendon may be recovered from a cadaver and used in ACL reconstruction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, Hookowl said: Just read this about grafts, I wonder if they had to dig up the donor The patellar ligament, tibialis anterior tendon, or Achilles tendon may be recovered from a cadaver and used in ACL reconstruction. Yes I could have mentioned that. After losing a lot of weight I can know be considered for additional surgery. Done my ACL 3 times. 4 surgeries in all. I have no cartridge now as a result and as a of course that come with lots of pain and jarring. They can take it from a Cadaver and insert it in your knee. Allegedly back to normal. Be a bit strange but if I can get it I wouldn’t say no. I believe it’s quite a specialist surgery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, jonesy87shef said: Yes I could have mentioned that. After losing a lot of weight I can know be considered for additional surgery. Done my ACL 3 times. 4 surgeries in all. I have no cartridge now as a result and as a of course that come with lots of pain and jarring. They can take it from a Cadaver and insert it in your knee. Allegedly back to normal. Be a bit strange but if I can get it I wouldn’t say no. I believe it’s quite a specialist surgery. Hope you get sorted mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, jonesy87shef said: If this is the case you make a better point but I’m unaware personally of development player injuries and the players getting them persistently. Ruling out impact injures of course because they are unavoidable. If you can give me some sort of breakdown that would be appreciated. Off the top of my head, there have been injuries to Neilsen, Williams, West, Clarke, Clare, Lee, Murphy, Lonchar and Preston. Then there was the young French lad who had horrendous problems. Obviously, I’m not sure how many of these were impact injuries, but then again, I don’t know to what extent some of our first team woes, have initially been due to an impact injury. Looking at the picture as a whole, that’s far too many injuries, suggesting there has to be a common factor behind this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Hookowl said: Hope you get sorted mate. Cheers, it’s much better than it had been for 10 years in fairness. I just always have a lot of sympathy for people like Winnall who have done it for it can be a reyt bas*tard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Off the top of my head, there have been injuries to Neilsen, Williams, West, Clarke, Clare, Lee, Murphy, Lonchar and Preston. Then there was the young French lad who had horrendous problems. Obviously, I’m not sure how many of these were impact injuries, but then again, I don’t know to what extent some of our first team woes, have initially been due to an impact injury. Looking at the picture as a whole, that’s far too many injuries, suggesting there has to be a common factor behind this Franck Betra. Highly rated but had a nasty injury. Didn't Stobbs miss a year with injury too? Suggests that the problem is within the club. Either the training ground surface or the medical staff. Or a culture of rushing players back and not taking great care with rehabilitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Off the top of my head, there have been injuries to Neilsen, Williams, West, Clarke, Clare, Lee, Murphy, Lonchar and Preston. Then there was the young French lad who had horrendous problems. Obviously, I’m not sure how many of these were impact injuries, but then again, I don’t know to what extent some of our first team woes, have initially been due to an impact injury. Looking at the picture as a whole, that’s far too many injuries, suggesting there has to be a common factor behind this Thank you for replying. I suppose the problem with that is it could just be a couple of weeks out etc. When it’s continuous and extended it’s a worry. If it’s a twisted anckle here and there it’s not a problem. When hamstrings are going and other muscles over and over then big questions need asking. I believe Frank Betra was his name? Not 100%. Think he did his knee. Was meant to be a decent talent if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Don't see that big an issue with Winnall .. just coming back from a massive injury, bound to have some set backs or tweak some muscles etc ... only adds a few weeks more to his recovery. Rather him right then come in to the squad and play not fully fit before breaking down with a bigger injury! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 When a players is coming back from a serious injury they some times pick up minor injuries near their comeback. Jos wont take any risks with long term injured players. Nowt to see here, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, jacko1992 said: Fucking hell fire. Totally sums it up for me..No more needs to be said................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Franck Betra. Highly rated but had a nasty injury. Didn't Stobbs miss a year with injury too? Suggests that the problem is within the club. Either the training ground surface or the medical staff. Or a culture of rushing players back and not taking great care with rehabilitation. Definitely seems to me that this has all happened since the switch to Desso, weirdly enough. Or am I just misremembering? Could be. Plus I know that’s unlikely to be a major factor for the younger lads, not to mention a bizarre number of our injuries seem to happen outside of match days - but still, in my mind it does seem like the Desso was one of the first big changes of the DC era, and since then we’ve barely been able to field our ideal XI once in four years. Mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I bet if he had stayed at derby he would have been back in their first team weeks ago and scored against the Blades on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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