Groundhopping Owl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I don't want to be as down on him as some because everyone has a dreadful day at the office every now and then, but last night was definitely the worst game he's ever played for us. The worrying thing is that it felt like the culmination of something that's been building up for a while, you could even argue that Lees hasn't been quite the same player since that own goal in the Huddersfield game (a goal which was far more Pudil's fault than his btw). While sitting him for ages would be a daft move imo, given that he's the captain, benching him for a game or two and letting Pudil work in the back three might get him to buck his ideas up a bit. I do worry more long-term that we haven't got a proper partner for him and that he doesn't suit a back three/five. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spuddy01 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Sonny said: People blaming Dawson for that second goal. Awful awful stuff from Lees. Awful Lees was completely at fault for both goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spuddy01 said: Lees was completely at fault for both goals. For the first goal, the problem started with Thorniley refusing to take the long ball first time despite having no one around him. By letting it bounce he gave the opponent the chance to take a run at it and outjump him, thus starting the attack down the right wing. The forward was able to make himself some room to get his shot away and it should come as no surprise that Lees wasn't quite quick enough to block it as he's no Des Walker, but to say he was "completely at fault" for it is silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 16 hours ago, DJMortimer said: That mistake for the winning goal was one of the most unforgivable things I have ever seen. Several seconds dithering like someone who had never even come across a football before and then one of the most pathetic back passes in all of human history. Players are entitled to make errors, but that was not deserving of a pub league game. Luhukay really needs to think about his place in the team. It don't want any thinking about. Let Lees have a think about his game in the under 23's where he may learn something. He should concentrate on his strengths Block & Hoof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 18 hours ago, Rhubarb n Custard said: Is he on the pitch and does he know how to pass forwards. Just asking. Don't know and no. He is becoming the weak link in that squad and it hasnt happened overnight. Plays with no confidence, no vision and certainly no leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Stoop said: People need to get off Lees back. He’s a great defender at this level, and one of our best signings of the last 10 years. I blame the manager for his insistence on making him play the ball when he probably just wants to get rid Everything about your post is so so wrong. Now to a breath and have another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worksop Wednesday Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 18 hours ago, David1867 said: Iv questioned him for some time. I remember on here when everyone was saying he's better than Harry Maguire, worth £10m+ etc and I got slaughtered for saying we'd be lucky to get £3m for him. Going on what iv seen of him over over the last 18 months I think we'd be lucky to get a fee for him. He's certainly not captain material. i said same, very overrated, he's been ok i but never got the hype about him, prem player etc and for me definitely never ever been captain material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Spuddy01 said: Lees was completely at fault for both goals. That's absolute rubbish, Thorniley was at fault for the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, CLswfc said: Everything about your post is so so wrong. Now to a breath and have another go. Not everything is wrong. He's definitely not one of our best signings over the last 10 years, however I think what the poster is trying to say is that Lees is not a footballing CH so expecting him to play out from the back is totally wrong. We are not good enough to play this way, Barcelona have got a lot to answer for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 53 minutes ago, LittleG said: Not everything is wrong. He's definitely not one of our best signings over the last 10 years, however I think what the poster is trying to say is that Lees is not a footballing CH so expecting him to play out from the back is totally wrong. We are not good enough to play this way, Barcelona have got a lot to answer for You make a good point . Jos is clearly telling the GK and defenders to play out from the back when they are not comfortable doing it. It just puts us under unnecessary pressure and we almost always end up going long after a few passes anyway. Or alternatively Bannan drops really deep to get it from them which isn't where we want him on the pitch. It will be interesting to see if Van Aken will get a chance when he's match fit as he actually can play this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, jack whitham said: Tom Lees is a very average centre back and no way is he captain material..Bannan should captain the side as he seems to be the only player who shows any passion. Disagree with this (not the Bannan as captain bit). Tom Lees has always shown plenty of passion and always gives it 100%. He's in poor form for sure but he certainly doesn't lack passion. Edited October 20, 2018 by NorthernOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, CLswfc said: Everything about your post is so so wrong. Now to a breath and have another go. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I hope we try to bring Venancio back in January i read recently that he hasn't even played a single game for his new club in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOT jack whitham Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said: Disagree with this (not the Bannan as captain bit). Tom Lees has always shown plenty of passion and always gives it 100%. He's in poor form for sure but he certainly doesn't lack passion. He is still very average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindygrOWLer Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Think some people are having a knee jerk reaction to Lee's performance. Yes he was woeful, but it doesn't make him a bad player all of a sudden. However, i dont think he should ever have been made captain. I can only assume Jos sees something in training that I dont.....I see more from Hector since he's arrived.....organising, berating mistakes, driving people on etc. I know different captains have different styles, but quietness isnt usually one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoadABallacks Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Another poor game in a string of them this season. Needs to sit out for a couple of games, but unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontCallMeOwlCallYou Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Lost his way abit since he stopped playing along side Loovens, but the lad has been down before, hence why we got him for practically nothing. But he bounced back, I wouldn't writeh him off just yet, but something needs to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 6 hours ago, s6 owl said: I hope we try to bring Venancio back in January i read recently that he hasn't even played a single game for his new club in Portugal Played today I think. We really miss him. Knew how to operate in a back three and was so composed and calm on the ball. So infuriating to think of the garbage we've signed, yet we couldn't secure the likes of Venancio, Lopez and Sasso on long term deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Played today I think. We really miss him. Knew how to operate in a back three and was so composed and calm on the ball. So infuriating to think of the garbage we've signed, yet we couldn't secure the likes of Venancio, Lopez and Sasso on long term deals. The team he signed for only paid a few hundred thousand for him too and after all the money the club have wasted recently its sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday-Wonderland Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Seems to struggle when he's the senior pro in the CB pairing. When you think of the best CBs we've had since Des you'd probably say Batth and Lees (not this season, admittedly), so although it was a terrible mistake let's not hang the bloke out to dry. We all f*ck up at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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