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22 hours ago, Lincs Owl said:

But we don't know

 

Cost of new stadium v Cost of new Kop and West stand.

Income from a new stadium v current income, or estimated income from a revamped Hillsborough. 

 

So, like the EU referendum, we are being asked to vote on an emotive subject without facts. 

 

 

 

 

 

It’s not just those two that would need upgraded/replaced though is it? 

 

The North Stand is nearly 60 years old too so staying put would mean upgrading/replacing 3 stands which is likely going to be cost prohibitive. I honestly can’t see any solution other than a new stadium but like you say both options would need to be costed and people would need to have a comparison.

 

I’m a leaver but it’s not going to happen anytime soon anyway so it’s a pointless discussion.

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33 minutes ago, asteener1867 said:

Safe to close it now.....pretty conclusive?

 

Looks like your campaign strategy worked well. Nice work sir.

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2 minutes ago, edinburghowl said:

 

It’s not just those two that would need upgraded/replaced though is it? 

 

The North Stand is nearly 60 years old too so staying put would mean upgrading/replacing 3 stands which is likely going to be cost prohibitive. I honestly can’t see any solution other than a new stadium but like you say both options would need to be costed and people would need to have a comparison.

 

I’m a leaver but it’s not going to happen anytime soon anyway so it’s a pointless discussion.

 

The North whilst in need of upgrade wouldn’t need knocking down and starting again. There are very realistic and viable redevelopment options especially given the space behind it.

 

The South is more in need of knocking down due to its age but it is more than fit for purpose now and for the foreseeable future.

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If I vote remain,  will there be a hard border between us on the north and the riff raff on the kop? 

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19 minutes ago, edinburghowl said:

 

It’s not just those two that would need upgraded/replaced though is it? 

 

The North Stand is nearly 60 years old too so staying put would mean upgrading/replacing 3 stands which is likely going to be cost prohibitive. I honestly can’t see any solution other than a new stadium but like you say both options would need to be costed and people would need to have a comparison.

 

I’m a leaver but it’s not going to happen anytime soon anyway so it’s a pointless discussion.

Upgrading...why knock the North down?....or the South/..The North is a listed building isn't it?

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I voted leave, doesn't look like we're gonna win this time though...

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Would be a travesty to even contemplate moving, our tradition has been built on generations with Hillsborough in their hearts, would never feel right imo.

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I was hoping this was a genuine EU Brexit vs Remain vote. Would love to know how Owlstalk would vote! 

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I voted with my heart, Hillsborough means so much to me & my family so It had to be stay where we are.

 

However my head also tells me that the longer DC goes without doing anything then moving will become the eventual option.

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If we remain could people I can’t remove tell us to wear red and white? 

 

Leave. Destiny down to me. Ta.

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11 hours ago, crookesowl said:

I was hoping this was a genuine EU Brexit vs Remain vote. Would love to know how Owlstalk would vote! 

 

 

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I like the symmetry between our £350k transfer limit, and the £350m NHS money that the idiot "leave" voters fell for in the scaremongering campaign!

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Leave and we'll get 350 million a week to spend on players. Let me get spray can out and go put it on the side of a stagecoach going down Penistone Road. Job done, bound to leave. lol

(i actually want to stay, also when is the international break over? please be over!! please!!)

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4 minutes ago, tarn owl said:

when is the international break over? please be over!! please!!)

 

This is the quietest I’ve ever known owlstalk. I’ve even considered going to the other darker mysterious sections of owlstalk but it’s not got that bad just yet.

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1 hour ago, sw1867 said:

 

This is the quietest I’ve ever known owlstalk. I’ve even considered going to the other darker mysterious sections of owlstalk but it’s not got that bad just yet.

 

Dont go in the politics sections.............................. some reyt wierdo`s in there. lol

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My heart says stay.

I'd be more than happy staying, the ground will outlast me.

I love the four sides, I love the feeling I get as I walk in the ground (it's never changed in 30 odd years).

 

But I voted to leave.

 

Regardless of my views at some point the future needs to be protected.

 

Some of my reasons...

* All four stands are in need off a rebuild.

  ~ Maybe not the south but I'd rebuild that for the leg room on it's own.

* Limited room around the ground for expansion, for example the building of a fan park, further car parking, corporate facilities.

* Poor car parking (only going to get worse).

* The disaster, the ground will always be remembered for it, and rightly so but we as a club need to move on.

* It's situated next to a river that could flood again.

 

History is one thing, but the club knew in the past if it was to progress it needed to move on and you can't hold on to yesterday at the expense of the future.

A future which doesn't include us, just the club.

 

It would be a sad day, but there you go.

The biggest challenges would finding a suitable location and then creating a stadium that is something different and makes us standout.

Of all the new grounds I've visited the best has to be Stadium MK (such as waste).

But i'd like to think we could add a bit of magic.

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On 14/10/2018 at 21:42, FreshOwl said:

So what’s the reason for some wanting to move, just the fact we’ll have a shiny new stadium? What other benefits will we get which aren’t available at hillsborough? Not having a go, generally interested and probably don’t know a few things 

Hillsborough is antiquated , on a poor piece of land with no room for additional facilities . It’s also In a poor area transport wise with poor parking . The area it’s in also holds back non matchday revenue significantly . 

 

Part of me still loves hillsborough but it’s a money drain and is the main reason why clubs like derby make so much money than us . Even Rotherham’s non matchday income is higher than ours 

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1 minute ago, james o connor said:

Hillsborough is antiquated , on a poor piece of land with no room for additional facilities . It’s also In a poor area transport wise with poor parking . The area it’s in also holds back non matchday revenue significantly . 

 

Part of me still loves hillsborough but it’s a money drain and is the main reason why clubs like derby make so much money than us . Even Rotherham’s non matchday income is higher than ours 

 

Why do people keep banging on about poor parking and transport. Thousands park for free within a 10 minute walk of the ground. Thousands get on trams and buses straight back into the city centre. Thousands walk to and from games easily without having to cross a motorway.

 

How are you going to improve in this. If we went to the out of town business park it would be worse.

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Redevelop.

 

I don't buy into the new stadium arguments of increased non-match day revenue and stadium position. United have a city centre location, offices, hotel etc etc, and they still have no money for transfers except from what comes from selling their star players.

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