Quist Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, ka58 said: Why do we need a new ground - what is wrong with the one we have? The cost of running it is several million a year higher than a modern ground. We are unable to use it for commercial purposes (Rotherham earns more than we do). Part of it currently unusable due to aftermath of disaster. It is aging and needs money constantly spending on it this is in addition to high everyday costs. Ever had a flood or fire and seen what happens to insurance premiums. Just think what we have to pay following Hillsborough semi final incident and then flood. They may cover you at time of problem but they get money back over next years with increased premiums. We are on a flood plain still good chance of ground being flooded again. Car parking and facilities around ground are poor. No easy access to motorway, long way from railway station. Etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristmace Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Quist said: Think Hillsborough is impossible to develop for numerus factors. It is a really difficult issue and reason why ho move has been made to develop or relocate. In the mean time the situation deteriorates. What about the plans we put out a couple of years ago that would have gone with the 2018 World Cup bid? I'd be more than happy to stay if we could pull that off. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Quist said: Think Hillsborough is impossible to develop for numerus factors. It is a really difficult issue and reason why ho move has been made to develop or relocate. In the mean time the situation deteriorates. Develop HIllsbro to the world cup plans that were drawn up .That would then be a modern , up to date stadium with all the mod cons . There is no need to move . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, paullie said: There was talk a while ago of a stadium move to an area on Weedon Street near Meadowhall, this story puts the kybosh on that as the area is looking at being turned into an industrial estate by the company that owns Meadowhall https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/picture-nearly-5000-jobs-could-be-created-at-new-industrial-complex-near-sheffield-s-meadowhall-1-9332327 Good, let them get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, kristmace said: What about the plans we put out a couple of years ago that would have gone with the 2018 World Cup bid? I'd be more than happy to stay if we could pull that off. Its easy to put out a computer simulation far more difficult turning it into reality. When would the work be done? Under current health and safety legislation if one stand being worked on a good chance part of adjoining sides would also be closed. It is in built up area so no chance of 24 hour working. Its on a flood plain not sure what you have to do to get planning permission on this land after recent floods up and down country it is now routinely refused. Any solution would increase costs dramatically as work would have to be done on river. What sort of income loss would occur if parts of ground were closed for seasons, or we had to play games elsewhere for a couple of years. Where would we play whilst ground closed? If it was easy would have already been done as current costs of running stadium are extremely high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Develop HIllsbro to the world cup plans that were drawn up .That would then be a modern , up to date stadium with all the mod cons . There is no need to move . That was pie in sky, please see reply to Kristmace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, kristmace said: What about the plans we put out a couple of years ago that would have gone with the 2018 World Cup bid? I'd be more than happy to stay if we could pull that off. Was that your chat up line on the kop for the Stoke Match? "Mr Baggy Shorts"..... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristmace Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Quist said: Its easy to put out a computer simulation far more difficult turning it into reality. When would the work be done? Under current health and safety legislation if one stand being worked on a good chance part of adjoining sides would also be closed. It is in built up area so no chance of 24 hour working. Its on a flood plain not sure what you have to do to get planning permission on this land after recent floods up and down country it is now routinely refused. Any solution would increase costs dramatically as work would have to be done on river. What sort of income loss would occur if parts of ground were closed for seasons, or we had to play games elsewhere for a couple of years. Where would we play whilst ground closed? If it was easy would have already been done as current costs of running stadium are extremely high. Some good counter-points there. It certainly won't be easy or cheap. Didn't we get planning permission granted for it? I think the main reason we haven't is funding. It would cost money that we just don't have at the moment, but could be a realistic possibility if we ever go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, Quist said: The cost of running it is several million a year higher than a modern ground. We are unable to use it for commercial purposes (Rotherham earns more than we do). Part of it currently unusable due to aftermath of disaster. It is aging and needs money constantly spending on it this is in addition to high everyday costs. Ever had a flood or fire and seen what happens to insurance premiums. Just think what we have to pay following Hillsborough semi final incident and then flood. They may cover you at time of problem but they get money back over next years with increased premiums. We are on a flood plain still good chance of ground being flooded again. Car parking and facilities around ground are poor. No easy access to motorway, long way from railway station. Etc Been reading that on her for years. Never seen anything tangible to back it up. Feel free to show me the numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Always read about how expensive Hillsborough is and how much a income a new stadium would generate but majority of clubs who have moved have hit financial problems within a few years of moving. If up to me then a big, fat no to ever moving!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxine Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 No way can we move from Hillsborough its just not acceptable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Just now, kristmace said: Some good counter-points there. It certainly won't be easy or cheap. Didn't we get planning permission granted for it? I think the main reason we haven't is funding. It would cost money that we just don't have at the moment, but could be a realistic possibility if we ever go up. I am not sure on planning mission but doubt as was just a proposal. I actually like Hillsborough and ideally would like us to stay. However I spoke to somebody a few years ago who said cost of redeveloping Hilsborough is astronomical and exceeded building elsewhere. Most teams can sell off land of old ground and recoup losses the location of our ground makes this difficult to do. I suspect we would have to be in Premiership with money rolling in before an owner would commit to this and as no real option to play elsewhere we would have new stadium built and move into it. Playing in a building site or at another ground would be like have all away fixtures and suspect form would suffer and costs of this would add to overall cost of project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, LordBrexit said: Time moves on. A fantastic new stadium could be built to mirror traditional grounds. Hillsborough needs to have more development room around it and be more central at the same time as better access to the M1. Wednesday should never have moved to Hillsborough, the fans choice was Carbrook in Sheffield. Although I think the bit about development room is true and that it would be cheaper to start from scratch. access from the m1 shouldn’t be the sticking point. That’s what Coventry thought when moving to the Richo from Highfield Road but where are the pubs and amnesty associated with that community. It loses something if you’re not careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ka58 said: Why do we need a new ground - what is wrong with the one we have? No parking No space for any infrastructure around it. In a position that is a major flood risk Has a 40k capacity of which some can't be used for safety reasons Has huge poles blocking the view of a lot of the seats that can be used. Is built on a crumbling foundation. Isn't easy to access Has awful concourse facilities and space Terrible toilet facilities with no access to hot water. Just a few off the top of my head 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Wenger had his transfer kitty wiped out while they paid for their new ground. And they're loaded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 If we are waiting until we have been in the Premier League for a few years before we move then I am not holding my breadth I will see it my lifetime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e6owl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 To me, there's no advantage of moving, we already have a big enough stadium to fill out with premier league football. It's just about getting some areas back (NW Corner) and rebuilding the west. The ultimate problem will always be the name though, Hillsborough will always be associated with the disaster in the minds of many fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw pete Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 49 minutes ago, poite said: No parking No space for any infrastructure around it. In a position that is a major flood risk Has a 40k capacity of which some can't be used for safety reasons Has huge poles blocking the view of a lot of the seats that can be used. Is built on a crumbling foundation. Isn't easy to access Has awful concourse facilities and space Terrible toilet facilities with no access to hot water. Just a few off the top of my head You forgot poor seating, lack of knee room if you are over 5ft 8in seating at Hillsbrough is awful. modern grounds have much better seating facilities. Concourse facilities are poor, but not the worst in the Championship. QPR,Villa , Brentford , St Andrews and The Lane are worse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, outlaw pete said: You forgot poor seating, lack of knee room if you are over 5ft 8in seating at Hillsbrough is awful. modern grounds have much better seating facilities. Concourse facilities are poor, but not the worst in the Championship. QPR,Villa , Brentford , St Andrews and The Lane are worse.. You can elland road to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Quist said: The cost of running it is several million a year higher than a modern ground. We are unable to use it for commercial purposes (Rotherham earns more than we do). Part of it currently unusable due to aftermath of disaster. It is aging and needs money constantly spending on it this is in addition to high everyday costs. Ever had a flood or fire and seen what happens to insurance premiums. Just think what we have to pay following Hillsborough semi final incident and then flood. They may cover you at time of problem but they get money back over next years with increased premiums. We are on a flood plain still good chance of ground being flooded again. Car parking and facilities around ground are poor. No easy access to motorway, long way from railway station. Etc Nearly every part of that is factually incorrect,but crack on anyway if that's what floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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