Hirstys_12th_Pint Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If Reach was to move onto a Premier League team and kick on do we think he would have the ability to become a regular and get in the England squad?? Not that you have to be a regular to get in the England squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Hirstys_12th_Pint said: If Reach was to move onto a Premier League team and kick on do we think he would have the ability to become a regular and get in the England squad?? Not that you have to be a regular to get in the England squad. Ive been saying this for two years. Yes and yes. But he would be LW. Not where we play him. He would walk into some Prem teams tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys_12th_Pint Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 15 hours ago, Holmowl said: Ive been saying this for two years. Yes and yes. But he would be LW. Not where we play him. He would walk into some Prem teams tomorrow. I agree. Sounds daft but his style is like Bale and with better players round him would shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) On 10/10/2018 at 06:30, Holmowl said: Very interesting point. Forestieri has started five games. W0. D3. L2 He has come on as sub in four. W4. D0. L0 He has missed three. W1. D1. L1 You could draw very different conclusions from that. You could argue that he shouldn’t start, and that instead he should be used as a very successful sub. Or, you could argue that there is a glaringly obvious (much more important) other factor involved, which pours nonsense on your FF supersub/better when he doesn't start theory Fixed it for you: Edited October 12, 2018 by zzmdu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, zzmdu said: Fixed it for you: Flippin ‘eck that’s impressive. So are you saying that if FF had started in those 4 wins, we would have won by even bigger margins? And that if he hadn’t started in those five games we would have got even worse than LDLDD? Because if not, Jos must have got it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Holmowl said: Flippin ‘eck that’s impressive. So are you saying that if FF had started in those 4 wins, we would have won by even bigger margins? And that if he hadn’t started in those five games we would have got even worse than LDLDD? Because if not, Jos must have got it right. You've seen a set of 4 results and attributed it to one minor factor. You've ignored a blatantly obvious major factor. If you worked/or had knowledge in stats, you wouldn't make this simple cause v correlation error so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 07:00, Holmowl said: Ive been saying this for two years. Yes and yes. But he would be LW. Not where we play him. He would walk into some Prem teams tomorrow. Keep off the funny fags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, zzmdu said: You've seen a set of 4 results and attributed it to one minor factor. You've ignored a blatantly obvious major factor. If you worked/or had knowledge in stats, you wouldn't make this simple cause v correlation error so often. Help me out then. In your opinion.... If FF had started would we have done better than WWWW? In your opinion... If FF hadn’t started would we have done worse than LDLDD? and therefore, in your opinion... Is Jos starting FF too often, not often enough or has he got it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Holmowl said: Help me out then. In your opinion.... If FF had started would we have done better than WWWW? In your opinion... If FF hadn’t started would we have done worse than LDLDD? and therefore, in your opinion... Is Jos starting FF too often, not often enough or has he got it right? It's difficult to discuss this with you because you clearly have no knowledge of statistics. You can't look at FOUR games when he came on as sub, particularly as there was a MUCH more imporatnt other factor involved. You can't totally isolate the affect of FF starting/subbed on/no appearances on the teams results. However if you want to I would look at much more games, erradicating factors such as the strength of the opposition. Its not perfect but its most robust than your 4 game runs. Here it is for you: No carefully chosen periods. This indicates SWFC are better when FF starts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Newsome Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Forestieri every time, the importance of Reach on this team is massively underrated. Wether it's with us or not he'll be a Premier League player within the next 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I'd rather not sell either tbh. I do believe that Reach would command a higher fee now though. He's 25 and English. Realistically, Nando has one last big move in him. Both top players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, SiJ said: I'd rather not sell either tbh. I do believe that Reach would command a higher fee now though. He's 25 and English. Realistically, Nando has one last big move in him. Both top players. 2 of the 1st batch of names on the teamsheet for me. Not as confident, as others, that Reach will make a regular Premier League player, not sure if he's strong, quick or nasty enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, zzmdu said: It's difficult to discuss this with you because you clearly have no knowledge of statistics. You can't look at FOUR games when he came on as sub, particularly as there was a MUCH more imporatnt other factor involved. You can't totally isolate the affect of FF starting/subbed on/no appearances on the teams results. However if you want to I would look at much more games, erradicating factors such as the strength of the opposition. Its not perfect but its most robust than your 4 game runs. Here it is for you: No carefully chosen periods. This indicates SWFC are better when FF starts. To be fair I included EVERY game he played over the last two years earlier in this thread. If you are Mr Statman I’m sure you agree this is a very fair sample size. Do YOU think that dipping back into 15/16 gives a fair indication of current form or worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Holmowl said: To be fair I included EVERY game he played over the last two years earlier in this thread. If you are Mr Statman I’m sure you agree this is a very fair sample size. Do YOU think that dipping back into 15/16 gives a fair indication of current form or worth? Oh good, you've moved on from the topic and asked a completely different question. To answer IMO, FF value was probably highest during season 16/17 at 26 years , but DC wouldn't have sold. Now 2-3 years later and after a serious injury, his value will have decreased from its peak. Still would command the biggest transfers fee IMO, Bannans, Reachs and Joao's might be close. We might find out in January, hope not! Edited October 12, 2018 by zzmdu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 The only way to resolve this is pistols at dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, zzmdu said: Oh good, you've moved on from the topic and asked a completely different question. To answer IMO, FF value was probably highest during season 16/17 at 26 years , but DC wouldn't have sold. Now 2-3 years later and after a serious injury, his value will have decreased from its peak. Still would command the biggest transfers fee IMO, Bannans, Reachs and Joao's might be close. We might find out in January, hope not! Not sure he would fetch more than Reach, FF great player when he wants to be but comes with a lot of baggage and age is starting to go against his value. If Joao can keep up his scoring record over the last 20 games I think we will get some very good offers in for him come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, SiJ said: The only way to resolve this is pistols at dawn. Who is Dawn and what’s her view on the great Reach v FF debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Who is Dawn and what’s her view on the great Reach v FF debate? Right. Scrap the pistols at dawn. Just shoot Holmowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, SiJ said: Right. Scrap the pistols at dawn. Just shoot Holmowl. In which case I’ve a 17-game ST for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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