shezzas left peg Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 One of those nights where their experience and game management would have been invaluable tonight. If he'd have been fit and able to come on instead of kirby, Hutch would have simply cleaned the man out on the halfway line..... End threads Jones maybe looking a bit old, but likewise would have had the experience to steady the ship , the youngsters have done us proud when they've stepped up into the breach most of the season so far, but on occasions you need that old experienced head to know how to calmly deal with a situation and snuff out the danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellbeaten-the-owl Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Can't understand with bannan out suspended why one of these not on bench... We have gone from one extreme to other in blooding youngsters. Kirby looked like a child coming on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 We really needed Hutch on to give away a penalty or get sent off and maybe Jones with the energy and desire of a slug in the middle to close the game out. Boyd pretending to run whilst not moving much might have made a big difference in the second half too. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 We didn't need Hutch or Jones tonight we just needed Jos to not bring the kid on and bring our best defender on to see out the game instead. Really poor and i'm fuming because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 7 hours ago, s6 owl said: We didn't need Hutch or Jones tonight we just needed Jos to not bring the kid on and bring our best defender on to see out the game instead. Really poor and i'm fuming because of it. Agree and I also very much doubt the other 587 coaches on the bench did anything to change his mind. Thorniley for Onamah, then shove Hector in the anchor role. Yet the players on the pitch , if they had half a brain cell between them should have been able to see the game out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Can see the point of the arguments raised, but if looking to transition the squad and develop youth, need to commit and take the rough with the smooth. Could see the rationale for bringing on a like for like player in his natural position in Kirby, hindsight is a place where it's easier to make decisions. Maybe leaving a back three who were functioning well in tact was more important than moving players into secondary positions. Had Onomah not took an injury to his eye don't think that change would have been made and at a point where they were looking vulnerable to pace could understand Joao for a tiring Nuhiu. Fletcher would have been a like for like change to hold the ball up. Jos was going for a third goal IMO and while I fully appreciate the merits of game management, I like the idea of our team having the mindset to go out and score as many goals as possible. Would have liked 3 points but would have taken a draw before kick off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Boyd and Jones are symptomatic of the awful nature of some of the signings CC made since Wembley and have no future at the club so I think JL is bang right to include youngsters rather than these two. I don`t however include Hutchinson in this , not sure where he is at fitness wise but if he IS ready then he should be included in the match day squad and the people who glibly dismiss him must have very short memories. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I am all for giving the youngers a chance but the only two that look anything like are Thorniley and Penny...Baker, Kirby & Dawson are not ready IMO. Dawson's kicking is just as bad as Westwood's (and people loved that band wagon), he presence in the box is non existent and his ability at crosses is questionable. He as potential but for me at the moment that's all it is, potential. He needs to go on loan to a League 1/2 club and learn the tough side of the game. Baker just isn't at the level of Penny. He will get there I am sure but not quite there. It's ok putting them in from time to time but you we have to face facts, most of these lads do not improve or maintain the standard of the first 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 9 hours ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said: Can't understand with bannan out suspended why one of these not on bench... We have gone from one extreme to other in blooding youngsters. Kirby looked like a child coming on Isn't Hutch injured? and why would you have players on the bench that have no future at the club and not promote a youth player that may have a future here? Like @striker said, you take the rough with the smooth and learn from it .. everyone will the experienced defenders and midfielder cost us in my opinion ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonOWL Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Hack-Abusi said: Isn't Hutch injured? and why would you have players on the bench that have no future at the club and not promote a youth player that may have a future here? Like @striker said, you take the rough with the smooth and learn from it .. everyone will the experienced defenders and midfielder cost us in my opinion ... Cus these players might have got us 3 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 might .. they might .. and what if we brought them on and it was the same result or we conceded another and lost? OT would erupted with anger and cabbages thrown on the pitch at the next home game Hindsight is a BEAUTIFUL thing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Jones,Abdi,Boyd,Hutch none of the experienced lads on the bench,all earning good wonga and im assuming their fit to play unless I missed summat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, sheriwozgod said: Boyd and Jones are symptomatic of the awful nature of some of the signings CC made since Wembley and have no future at the club so I think JL is bang right to include youngsters rather than these two. I don`t however include Hutchinson in this , not sure where he is at fitness wise but if he IS ready then he should be included in the match day squad and the people who glibly dismiss him must have very short memories. Great Post. We lack leaders and bite in the midfield. Hutch solves both of these. He has his faults but he should be playing ! Boyd Jones Abdi Westwood etc are the old CC type players who are past there best. They wont play again. Hutchinson can still be key for us and should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Hutchinson is injured. Jones and Boyd both are now extremely slow and appearances this season have been very unconvincing. Kirby in substitute appearance against Sunderland shone like a beacon and I like many others thought he deserved another chance. Coming on in a helter skelter game like last night is difficult for any player and to attach any to substitute in my opinion is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternlad Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 11 hours ago, shezzas left peg said: One of those nights where their experience and game management would have been invaluable tonight. If he'd have been fit and able to come on instead of kirby, Hutch would have simply cleaned the man out on the halfway line..... End threads Jones maybe looking a bit old, but likewise would have had the experience to steady the ship , the youngsters have done us proud when they've stepped up into the breach most of the season so far, but on occasions you need that old experienced head to know how to calmly deal with a situation and snuff out the danger. Ferzackerly this...Hutch might have put him in the first row of the stand mind you...and then got his coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Safe to say I am not in the doubtless enormous queue of people eagerly awaiting a David Jones return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Quist said: Hutchinson is injured. Jones and Boyd both are now extremely slow and appearances this season have been very unconvincing. Kirby in substitute appearance against Sunderland shone like a beacon and I like many others thought he deserved another chance. Coming on in a helter skelter game like last night is difficult for any player and to attach any to substitute in my opinion is wrong. There is a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 It's so frustrating as we were coasting to victory. Those subs killed the game for us sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 11 hours ago, s6 owl said: We didn't need Hutch or Jones tonight we just needed Jos to not bring the kid on and bring our best defender on to see out the game instead. Really poor and i'm fuming because of it. absolutely spot on to run from where he did for the 2nd goal with the attention of 4 defenders is criminal,would have taken a point before the game,but not 2 up with 4 mins left,terrible substitution imo,were shipping goals and points every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Hutch is not injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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