full fathom five Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Their manager out coached our manager. They had a game plan and their players made it work, they pressed high, closed down in packs and made things happen, they earnt the right to play and caused us many problems. Our game plan didn't work, you are of course always going to get ups and downs with the younger players we have got, but i feel Jos didn't help their cause by having them play in the exact same way in the second half as we had in the first, thus we kept making the same mistakes and creating ourselves mxny problems. Yes L##ds are a good side but i felt Bielsa easily had Jos measure tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepcar_lights Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Needed to keep the ball more tonight, but Leeds on us like biscuits and tea. Lot's of hoofing as the game went on. I don't think it will always be a pretty tactic, but we do appear to be more and more familiar with it as the season goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, full fathom five said: Their manager out coached our manager. They had a game plan and their players made it work, they pressed high, closed down in packs and made things happen, they earnt the right to play and caused us many problems. Our game plan didn't work, you are of course always going to get ups and downs with the younger players we have got, but i feel Jos didn't help their cause by having them play in the exact same way in the second half as we had in the first, thus we kept making the same mistakes and creating ourselves mxny problems. Yes L##ds are a good side but i felt Bielsa easily had Jos measure tonight. Probably, but we rushed cpasses out from the back, several times, took the wrong option...Sometimes play it down the line instead of across in front of the back 4 when there are other options. That bit in the second half when Adthe drifted past two on the right and then squared to one of their midfielders to run onto had me screamin' Edited September 28, 2018 by asteener1867 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think some are exaggerating Leeds' performance. They looked a decent side alright, especially in the 2nd half, but I thought we caused them a decent number of problems in the first half too when we at least seemed to have an attacking plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, FreshOwl said: We came up against a team probably three times a good as us they were more athletic, agile, were a yard faster, just all round better If Leeds continue to play like that they’ll walk the league like wolves last year The major difference between the sides is, they have a good coach who brings out the best in their players He’s tactically excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manicowl Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, FreshOwl said: We came up against a team probably three times a good as us they were more athletic, agile, were a yard faster, just all round better If Leeds continue to play like that they’ll walk the league like wolves last year They're not going to win the league. They'll be knackered by Christmas if they carry on playing at such a high tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder Spaniel Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I thought that Leeds looked excellent tonight. Fast, nimble, all good on the ball, intricate, pressed and harried us out if the game. I realise that we are trying to adopt a style of our own, but sometimes you need to go back to basics and ruffle their feathers a bit more. We tried to play out from Dawson numerous times, and Leeds' high press forced errors time and time again. Why not go long and by-pass their dominant midfield from time to time, to keep them guessing? Also, when we press their defence, do so with conviction and numbers when appropriate, rather than the token effort of a couple and let them play through us. It's difficult when you're being outplayed, but sometimes you have to take the fight to them and unsettle them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 We're a working progress. Nowhere near the finished product. Sometimes as well you have to say another side have come and played well. Leeds a good team, they'll win plenty of games like that one tonight. Thankfully from our point of view they didn't and we got a decent point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWEDFM Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) The difference between us and Leeds were the managers Don't get me wrong I like Jos and so far he has done a good job especially showing faith in the youth and giving them a chance, but we sit back and invite pressure where as Leeds press and attack They were fitter and quicker to every ball. At times we couldn't get near them Edited September 29, 2018 by IWEDFM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robswfc Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Jos seems to set up to counter the opponent rather than having a particular footballing philosophy and trying to outplay the opposites a la Carlos. For example today we changed formation several times and move players around to try to stop Leeds playing. Carlos had his best players in positions where their teammates knew they would be. We played better passing football then but it was less flexible than Luhukay’s approach. Both strategies have their merits. One effect of jos’ way is that we now look better against the lower placed teams in the division, but we struggle to outplay the better teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Happy with the result, certainly don’t feel negative but I just feel that we leave something in the tank too often. I’d have loved to have seen get more than 10 mins to exploit some of those spaces upfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny owl Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 we've been outplayed in 3 of the last 4 games. for most of those games we've not looked like we even know what we're trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 We need Hooper back to his best. We need to maintain possession further up the field. We need his passing in and around the box. As for Leeds, they lack the fire power for top 2. An automatic promotion team would have won that game tonight. Bielsa is doing well with what he has to work with, but they'll not maintain that frenzied style all season long. No team could, and in the end the teams with better all-round players will come to the fore. It's reminiscent of Monk's Leeds, two seasons ago. Mind you, it makes you wonder what Bielsa could do with a side like Stoke, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 2 hours ago, robswfc said: Jos seems to set up to counter the opponent rather than having a particular footballing philosophy and trying to outplay the opposites a la Carlos. For example today we changed formation several times and move players around to try to stop Leeds playing. Carlos had his best players in positions where their teammates knew they would be. We played better passing football then but it was less flexible than Luhukay’s approach. Both strategies have their merits. One effect of jos’ way is that we now look better against the lower placed teams in the division, but we struggle to outplay the better teams. Carlos outplay the opponents , do me a favour ! He had one tactic , if it worked , great, if not he was screwed . All I know is , we are a bang average side picking up decent results . That will do me. incidently, we seemed to look worse yet again with king forestieri in the side , like the owlstalk know it alls have been clamouring for . Personally I’d rather have Matias in the line up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 8 hours ago, SiJ said: We are a work in progress. All the hallmarks of a team who will finish about 12th/11th imo, unless we start to find a bit of consistency with our results/performances. In saying that, tonight, I think we came across a very good side and managed to grind out a point. 4 wins 2 draws 1 defeat 14 points from our last seven. I’d describe that as very consistent. Horror start to the season for some reason. Certainly seems to have found our way since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 3 hours ago, IWEDFM said: The difference between us and Leeds were the managers Don't get me wrong I like Jos and so far he has done a good job especially showing faith in the youth and giving them a chance, but we sit back and invite pressure where as Leeds press and attack They were fitter and quicker to every ball. At times we couldn't get near them Why you have got negged for this, I don’t know. Absolutely correct. We basically sat off them and gave them too much respect. We defended deep in that first half and it was like we were trying to close the gaps from our defence to our keeper. Negative game plan from Jos resulted in a very poor performance. 1-1 draw, however if should’ve been around 4-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, james o connor said: Carlos outplay the opponents , do me a favour ! He had one tactic , if it worked , great, if not he was screwed . All I know is , we are a bang average side picking up decent results . That will do me. incidently, we seemed to look worse yet again with king forestieri in the side , like the owlstalk know it alls have been clamouring for . Personally I’d rather have Matias in the line up . 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Lucky to get a draw. Conceded possession too easily. Don’t think there was one string if more than three passes. Seemed to get the ball and no one was making space for an easy outlet. Seemed to be content to let them run at us and not close them down until they were in our area. Lucky and I hope we don’t repeat the way we played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 9 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Transition season New ways of working Blooding young players We are overachieving if anything Good result tonight against a very very good side who might well get promoted If Leeds were that good they would’ve hammered us last night given the way they played. No one’s mentioned that their keeper had to have a decent game or they might well have lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 I think it all starts without the ball, if you don't press the opposites, they can rest on the ball. That means they can dominate possession and then run us ragged when we have the ball. Leeds and Forest played the same way against us and got results. We are inconsistent under Jos and havent found a style or formation that works every game. Lot of chopping and changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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