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2 hours ago, Holmowl said:

 

They average 7.5.

 

I thought this young and emerging side held out brilliantly against a far better side. Could even have nicked it with Reach’s final rocket.

 

I always post my marks before I read others, so my opinions don’t get coloured by others. I also compare my marks with those of my teenage son (two teenage sons tonight) in the car on the way home.

 

Their view mirrors mine. Outplayed by a better team, but a really good backs to the wall show.

Why are people scoring so low when we got a draw against a very good side. Also seen a fantastic goal. Dawson made a few errors but nothing costly but is being scored way to low. Baker had a good game against good players yet because he not pele he not good enough according to some. 

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3 hours ago, Kenners3896 said:

Dawson 2 - shambolic performance

Should have at least got a hand to their goal and probably should have saved it. Was 6 foot off his line for no reason. His decision making was awful. His kicking was terrible and he can't catch. 

Needs dropping. 

 

Baker 4 - out of his depth. Torn apart by saiz time and time again. 

 

hector 6 - steady but lazy with the ball. 

 

Lees 6 - steady but isn't a captain 

 

Thorniley 5 - steady butjust passed it back to Dawson every chance he got. 

Penney 6 - did okay 

 

Pelupessy 4 - anonymous. Not sure what he does 

 

 Bannan 4 - anonymous tonight. Never got Into the game. Compare his set pieces to Douglas..... Poor 

 

Reach 7 - gets a 7 for his goal other than that didn't do enough. Doesn't look as fit as last season. 

 

Fletcher 4 - won nothing against janson. Slow and lethargic. Past it 

 

Forestieri 6 - huffed and puffed but just fell over most of the game. Still struggling to find any real form.

Saiz ran the game whilst nando was a  passenger for most of it. 

 

Subs 

 

Palmer 6 - better than baker but still no where near good enough. Rb a real issue for us 

 

Nuhiu- 2 - back to being dreadful

 Slow poor touch and poor decision making. Needs moving on.

 

Joao - 2 - lazy and didn't get into the game. You never know which joao your gonna get. 

 

 

Jos 3 - one of th3 most one sided games I've ever seen. We were dominated from the first minute to the last minute. Tactically got it all wrong. 

Subs were ineffective and had zero impact on the game. 

There's no game plan with this team. We just turn up and sort of wing it. 

Leeds had a very particular style of play and cut us open time and time again. 

On another night this could have been a cricket score. 

I try to get behind jos but it's very difficult. 

When was the last time we played well for 60 70 minutes of a game? 

I can't remember either. 

 

Frustrating. 

 

 

????? this takes the p'ss

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4 hours ago, Kenners3896 said:

Dawson 2 - shambolic performance

Should have at least got a hand to their goal and probably should have saved it. Was 6 foot off his line for no reason. His decision making was awful. His kicking was terrible and he can't catch. 

Needs dropping. 

 

Baker 4 - out of his depth. Torn apart by saiz time and time again. 

 

hector 6 - steady but lazy with the ball. 

 

Lees 6 - steady but isn't a captain 

 

Thorniley 5 - steady butjust passed it back to Dawson every chance he got. 

Penney 6 - did okay 

 

Pelupessy 4 - anonymous. Not sure what he does 

 

 Bannan 4 - anonymous tonight. Never got Into the game. Compare his set pieces to Douglas..... Poor 

 

Reach 7 - gets a 7 for his goal other than that didn't do enough. Doesn't look as fit as last season. 

 

Fletcher 4 - won nothing against janson. Slow and lethargic. Past it 

 

Forestieri 6 - huffed and puffed but just fell over most of the game. Still struggling to find any real form.

Saiz ran the game whilst nando was a  passenger for most of it. 

 

Subs 

 

Palmer 6 - better than baker but still no where near good enough. Rb a real issue for us 

 

Nuhiu- 2 - back to being dreadful

 Slow poor touch and poor decision making. Needs moving on.

 

Joao - 2 - lazy and didn't get into the game. You never know which joao your gonna get. 

 

 

Jos 3 - one of th3 most one sided games I've ever seen. We were dominated from the first minute to the last minute. Tactically got it all wrong. 

Subs were ineffective and had zero impact on the game. 

There's no game plan with this team. We just turn up and sort of wing it. 

Leeds had a very particular style of play and cut us open time and time again. 

On another night this could have been a cricket score. 

I try to get behind jos but it's very difficult. 

When was the last time we played well for 60 70 minutes of a game? 

I can't remember either. 

 

Frustrating. 

 

 

Either poo joke or you're an idiot

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Dawson 6

Baker 5

Penney 7

Lees 6

Thorniley 7 MOM 

Hector 7

Bannan 5

Pelupessy 7

Reach 6

Forestieri 6

Fletcher 6

 

No one really outstanding but everyone battled really hard against a much improved Leeds side. 

 

Negative for me is they fannying about at back with Dawson rolling ball out to defenders all time, it's suicide football and we were lucky we didn't concede from these tactics. 

I don't blame Dawson as it's obviously tactics he's been instructed to do. 

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Can’t get my head around some of these scores, The dross we have watch at times in the last 20 years (some as little as 6-12 months ago) and we are handing out scores of 5 and below for last night.  The first half as a contest was played at a fantastic pace and although leeds had the better chances we played some decent stuff. Second half needs some praise for effort and bravely.  

 

Finally with the keeper I get the feeling some want Dawson out so they can just say I told you so.  Not his greatest game but a massive over reaction 

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8 hours ago, Kenners3896 said:

Dawson 2 - shambolic performance

Should have at least got a hand to their goal and probably should have saved it. Was 6 foot off his line for no reason. His decision making was awful. His kicking was terrible and he can't catch. 

Needs dropping. 

 

Baker 4 - out of his depth. Torn apart by saiz time and time again. 

 

hector 6 - steady but lazy with the ball. 

 

Lees 6 - steady but isn't a captain 

 

Thorniley 5 - steady butjust passed it back to Dawson every chance he got. 

Penney 6 - did okay 

 

Pelupessy 4 - anonymous. Not sure what he does 

 

 Bannan 4 - anonymous tonight. Never got Into the game. Compare his set pieces to Douglas..... Poor 

 

Reach 7 - gets a 7 for his goal other than that didn't do enough. Doesn't look as fit as last season. 

 

Fletcher 4 - won nothing against janson. Slow and lethargic. Past it 

 

Forestieri 6 - huffed and puffed but just fell over most of the game. Still struggling to find any real form.

Saiz ran the game whilst nando was a  passenger for most of it. 

 

Subs 

 

Palmer 6 - better than baker but still no where near good enough. Rb a real issue for us 

 

Nuhiu- 2 - back to being dreadful

 Slow poor touch and poor decision making. Needs moving on.

 

Joao - 2 - lazy and didn't get into the game. You never know which joao your gonna get. 

 

 

Jos 3 - one of th3 most one sided games I've ever seen. We were dominated from the first minute to the last minute. Tactically got it all wrong. 

Subs were ineffective and had zero impact on the game. 

There's no game plan with this team. We just turn up and sort of wing it. 

Leeds had a very particular style of play and cut us open time and time again. 

On another night this could have been a cricket score. 

I try to get behind jos but it's very difficult. 

When was the last time we played well for 60 70 minutes of a game? 

I can't remember either. 

 

Frustrating. 

 

 

 

Which one is you? :biggrin:

 

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8 hours ago, Kenners3896 said:

Dawson 2 - shambolic performance

Should have at least got a hand to their goal and probably should have saved it. Was 6 foot off his line for no reason. His decision making was awful. His kicking was terrible and he can't catch. 

Needs dropping. 

 

Baker 4 - out of his depth. Torn apart by saiz time and time again. 

 

hector 6 - steady but lazy with the ball. 

 

Lees 6 - steady but isn't a captain 

 

Thorniley 5 - steady butjust passed it back to Dawson every chance he got. 

Penney 6 - did okay 

 

Pelupessy 4 - anonymous. Not sure what he does 

 

 Bannan 4 - anonymous tonight. Never got Into the game. Compare his set pieces to Douglas..... Poor 

 

Reach 7 - gets a 7 for his goal other than that didn't do enough. Doesn't look as fit as last season. 

 

Fletcher 4 - won nothing against janson. Slow and lethargic. Past it 

 

Forestieri 6 - huffed and puffed but just fell over most of the game. Still struggling to find any real form.

Saiz ran the game whilst nando was a  passenger for most of it. 

 

Subs 

 

Palmer 6 - better than baker but still no where near good enough. Rb a real issue for us 

 

Nuhiu- 2 - back to being dreadful

 Slow poor touch and poor decision making. Needs moving on.

 

Joao - 2 - lazy and didn't get into the game. You never know which joao your gonna get. 

 

 

Jos 3 - one of th3 most one sided games I've ever seen. We were dominated from the first minute to the last minute. Tactically got it all wrong. 

Subs were ineffective and had zero impact on the game. 

There's no game plan with this team. We just turn up and sort of wing it. 

Leeds had a very particular style of play and cut us open time and time again. 

On another night this could have been a cricket score. 

I try to get behind jos but it's very difficult. 

When was the last time we played well for 60 70 minutes of a game? 

I can't remember either. 

 

Frustrating. 

 

 

Flipping heck, a bit harsh to say we drew with top of leauge

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Really like Hector. He gave us so much flexibility being able to keep adapting formation by being able to change to a 4 at back and him screening, as well as him pushing in to midfield 4 pushing bazza further forward. Composed on the ball, strong, good in the air...what's not to like

 

Baker still not good enough yet. Much rather have Palmer there and that's saying something. Doesn't really offer anything going forward, positional sense all over show, and can be rash i.e. Needless free kick at kop with their player facing north stand

 

Felt Dawson was poor too. Still stand by distribution being worse than Westwood and Wildsmith. Struggled big time with crosses today which I thought was his strength in the past

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8 hours ago, Holmowl said:

Dawson 7 some decent saves.Bit Flappy. Cant criticise his short pass outs - clearly instructed to do so.

 

Lees 9 MoM. Wonderful tonight. Save after save. Immense. Leeds pal picked him out as our saviour.

 

Hector 8 very impressive. Like his coolness on the ball. Eats up the ground. 

 

Thorniley 7 thought he got caught out a few times first half. But part of a brave and resilient defence.

 

Penney 7 plenty of promise and some super moments, but also guilty of over-playing once or twice. Really exciting prospect.

 

Baker 7 did well on a very tough night. 

 

Bannan 7 a quieter night, but worked his nuts off. His creative side was off tonight. Huge miss v WBA.

 

Reach 8.5 What a goal !!! Played well all night. His shot on 92 was travelling too. Lovely runs first half and nice right footed cross. 

 

Pelupessy 8 tennacious and energetic. Nicked many a ball.

 

Forestieri 7 excellent first half, disappeared second. Real handful, but no chances. Will be better for the run-out. Maybe shine Wednesday and we need his creativity without Bannan.

 

Fletcher 8 worked like a lion with little support. Great flick ons, especially for Adam’s goal. Tremendous work in our own box. Saving headers and blocks 

 

 

We were a distant second best. But Jos has turned us into a very resilient side. Terrific point.

 

I would agree with you on most your assesment but Lees turned his back on their goalscorer when he shot. He should be throwing himself in front of it. Other than that one instance he was very good .

 

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3 minutes ago, A12owl said:

I would agree with you on most your assesment but Lees turned his back on their goalscorer when he shot. He should be throwing himself in front of it. Other than that one instance he was very good .

 

 

I think if we scored the game from what we see at the match, then again if we can watch it back, there would be big differences. Didn’t see that.

 

But under constant pressure from an excellent Leeds side with 64% possession and full of speed and dynamism, I thought our defence, led by Lees, were immense.

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Dawson 5

Baker 4

Lees 7

Hector 7

Thorniley 7

Penney 6

Pelupessy 4

Bannan 5

Reach 7

Forestieri 6

Fletcher 6

 

Palmer 5

Nuhiu 3

Joao 4

 

The 3 CB’s did very well for us, a busy night for them and they more than held their own. Another Screamer from Reach, it’s a Praise from me, well done Wednesday against a very good side.

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Dawson- 4

Penney- 7

Hector- 8

Lees- 6

Thorniley- 5

Baker- 4.5

Pelupessy- 5

Bannan- 5

Reach- 8

Forestieri- 6

Fletcher- 6

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Palmer- 4.5

Joao- 5

Nuhiu- 5

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10 hours ago, sheriwozgod said:

Dawson    -    4    We have a good young keeper on our hands but tonight he was poor, I have mentioned after a few games that he worries aerially as he has a tendency to stay when he should come out and vice versa and leeds had obviously done their homework...………...looked really nervy and unsure all night.

 

Baker    -    4     Another young un who will hopefully improve but I am still of the opinion that he aint ready for this standard just yet

Lees    -    7.5    Thought he defended well tonight

Thorniley    -    6    Not quite up to recent standards but did OK

Hector    -    6    Strange mixture of some good defending but really poor distribution

Penney    -    7    Took the wrong option on a few occasions but overall very impressive again

 

Bannan    -    6    Worked hard but a rare bad passing performance

Pelupessy    -    5    Did Ok ish first half but almost non existent second half,  backed off far too much (check out the goal)

 

Reach    -    7    Looks much better  higher up the pith IMHO , faded second half but a class goal and a celebration to match

Fletcher    -    6   Battled but never got the upper hand

Forestieri    -    7    Good to see him back, looked our most dangerous threat

 

Palmer    -    5    Got caught out of position far too much

Nuhiu + Joao    -    5    Limited service but didn't add anything

 

OVERALL

 

2nd best for long periods tonight and we were badly overrun in midfield......surprised JL didn't change TBH.

Just far too many hit and hope and careless passes, but taking everything into account I was glad of the point.

Just about spot on, would give Reach man of match. Absolutely stole a point tonight with that second half performance.

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7 hours ago, hirstys_achilles said:

????? this takes the p'ss

We did play top of the league, they all played a part in getting a point no way they deserve those scores

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Lees, Hector, Thorniley and Reach - 7

Penney, Bannan - 6

Fletcher, Forestieri, Pelupessy - 5

Dawson, Baker - 4

 

Dont like giving 4’s out but those 2 were very poor on the night. Baker is not ready and Dawson was nervy all evening. Whether a game against Leeds on a Friday night on sky coupled with what happened to Kirkland years ago had something to do with it?

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Dawson - 4, Looked nervy, made two errors that on a different day could have led to a goal, feel like he didn't command his area very well either, lack of experience was evident in games like last nights,

 

Baker - 5, Not surprised he went off, looked completely out his depth, one good contribution going forward after solid work from FF.

Penney - 7, Looks the real deal, a threat down the left hand side all game, tackled well and worked hard, full of energy.

Lees - 7, Solid, another good game for the captain, looks more comfortable with Hector at his side.

Thorniley - 6, Fine, worked hard.

Hector - 6, OK, really good in the tackle but not a ball player but the way Leeds played forced us to play out from the back (which none of our CB's can do).

 

Bannan - 5, Marked out the game, engine is always there but the few chances he had to create did not deliver.

Pelupessy - 6, Good game, got stuck in and did what we asked of him well.

 

Reach - 6, Apart from the wonder goal like the rest of our midfield struggled to get into the game but always works hard and wants to make things happen.

Forestieri - 6, Lively spark and the right choice to start him, lost count of how many times he got fouled, but the magic he brings on the ball opens so many doors for us. Doesn't play well with Fletcher, needs more mobility and quicker thinkers around him.

Fletcher - 5, Struggled a lot with the hit and hopes we sent up to him, but i don't think anyone else would have done much better.

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12 hours ago, Kenners3896 said:

Dawson 2 - shambolic performance

Should have at least got a hand to their goal and probably should have saved it. Was 6 foot off his line for no reason. His decision making was awful. His kicking was terrible and he can't catch. 

Needs dropping. 

 

 

 

6 foot off his line for no reason? Do you know about goalkeeping? Played there or coached it? 

 

His positioning for the goal was 100% spot on. He’s stood there to cut out through balls, charge down 1v1’s and narrow the angle for shots, it’s what you’re taught from the age of about 10. Can’t save it and Lees in front needs to not turn his back.

 

I thought he was poor tonight, but to blame him for the goal was laughable.

 

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13 hours ago, eggowl said:

After that goal, nothing else really matters. Reach MOTM

 

I think this might sum up a lot of people 

 

Wonder strike = good performance 

 

Which couldn’t be further from the truth 

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8 hours ago, hirstys_achilles said:

Why are people scoring so low when we got a draw against a very good side. Also seen a fantastic goal. Dawson made a few errors but nothing costly but is being scored way to low. Baker had a good game against good players yet because he not pele he not good enough according to some. 

 

Why so low?

 

Its pretty easy to understand.

The better you play as an individual the higher mark you get.

Its out of 10

10 being the highest if you have played brilliantly.

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Dawson - 6 Didn't do too much wrong, but hardly inspired confidence from his defenders.

 

Baker - 6 Thought he did better then vs Villa. Worked hard, and did his job well enough.

Lees - 6 Just can't look past that half-harted attempt to block Klich shot. Turning his back... Just so poor :sad:

Hector - 7 Strong, composed, did well.

Thorniley - 6 Did very well at CB, but just lacked pace when we switched to 4 at the back, and him to LB.

Penney - 7 Did well again. When we pushed him up the pitch, he didn't get to see enough of the ball, and overdid couple of times when better option was available.

 

Reach - 7 That goal !!!

Pelupessy - 6 Tried his hardest, but yesterday lacked bit of quality on the ball.

Bannan - 5 Didn't do anything of note, and got stupid 5'th booking. When he is not in top form, we are struggling to create anything.

 

Forestieri - 6 Worked very hard, dropped deep to get on the ball and make things happen. Given lack of service he received, think that he did good enough.

Fletcher - 6 Ineffective. seen little of the ball, and when he did failed to do much for him. Nice lay down for Reach goal, though.

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