@owlstalk Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Birmingham are understood to be in deep trouble for breaching profitability and sustainability rules, with the EFL determined to adopt a tough stance by pushing for a deduction of up to 12 points and a heavy fine. Rival Championship clubs have also complained over Birmingham’s £2m signing of Danish left-back Kristian Pedersen while under a transfer embargo. Pedersen was signed from Union Berlin in June despite the club operating under a “soft” embargo, leading to the EFL later admitting in a statement that they were “exceptionally disappointed”. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/09/07/exclusive-birmingham-facing-12-point-deduction-breaking-efl/ Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOT jack whitham Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 What does that mean for us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, jack whitham said: What does that mean for us ? Hopefully nothing. Birmingham signed a player for £2million whilst under their embargo. We didn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, jack whitham said: What does that mean for us ? Well we didn't sign anyone while under the "soft unbongo" so we might be safe this year. Next year could be a problem. That's how I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTacoSWFC Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Hopefully we have done all to avoid such penalty... why would an embargo be lifted if we were to fall foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mercury Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 12 points ?? Wow... that's a hefty lot of points to claw back in this league if it goes through ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Think we will be ok, that is why we waited. Part of me thinks that Birmingham will get 3pts and a fine. Think it is just a mess from the EFL this soft embargo is a joke if they are going to dish out fines or deductions then they should have clear rules. So all clubs know that if they overspend by a certain amount the fine or deduction will be a set amount. Looks like the EFL just make it up as they go along. Personally would like to see this FFP scrapped but if not be clear on the punishments and upfront so all clubs know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I'd love to the see the look on that Brummie fan's face if he's heard that they are going to face a potential 12 pt deduction.Cue Helmut Rooster. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr Mercury said: 12 points ?? Wow... that's a hefty lot of points to claw back in this league if it goes through ! Never get 12 points what did QPR get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 12 points is a very random amount, plus the goal posts just seem to keep moving about. It's all a bit Ill thought out by the EFL. Things need to be set in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I think Birmingham would be fighting relegation even before this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, jack whitham said: What does that mean for us ? D Taxi`s better start making a profit ASAP. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I hope they do get a 12 point deduction They won’t though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 The lawyers will suck on this juicy peach forever more...the only winner's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smhouston Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Don't understand why people are asking what it means for us. We've been taken out of it so have satisfied the EFL Despite what our fans were saying, sounds like Mr Chansiri was right not doing any transfers. Also again contrary to our fans believes and feel like they should know everything, but I think it was a good move from him by not announcing we was under one which would have opened up the doors for clubs to offer rubbish money for our players Edited September 7, 2018 by smhouston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 FFP or whatever it's called should either be enforced or abolished. 12 points seems fair to me. The alternative to enforcement is anarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minton Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Maddogbob said: 12 points is a very random amount, plus the goal posts just seem to keep moving about. It's all a bit Ill thought out by the EFL. Things need to be set in stone. This is the first season with the new P&S rules and Birmingham are the first to fall foul of them, so they will throw the book at them as a deterrent. FFP was mocked for being toothless and clubs weren't bothered about the financial penalties, so the EFL have set out the new rules with the punishments being fines, embargoes, points deductions or any of those 3 combined. 12 points is the same penalty as going into administration, so it's hardly a random figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: The lawyers will suck on this juicy peach forever more...the only winner's. This is why the should rethink the whole ffp. Just come up with a list of fines or points deductions based on the loss etc. Then say ok clean slate this starts season 19/20. Then all clubs know the rules and exactly what to expect, none of this "could face" a points deduction all sounds very amateurish no wonder lawyers and clubs challenge every time. Just be clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Minton said: This is the first season with the new P&S rules and Birmingham are the first to fall foul of them, so they will throw the book at them as a deterrent. FFP was mocked for being toothless and clubs weren't bothered about the financial penalties, so the EFL have set out the new rules with the punishments being fines, embargoes, points deductions or any of those 3 combined. 12 points is the same penalty as going into administration, so it's hardly a random figure. But it is random as the rules are not clear, needs to be like lose 5m 3pts deduction, 10m 6pts, 15m 9pts etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield_SWFC Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 It won’t be three points or clubs would overspend like mad to gain the extra three points a three point deduction is normally for some thing like using an iinillegible player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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