Ronnie Starling Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said: With 15000 views on this, one of 1500 FF threads since he arrived, Is there a case for Owlstalk mods to cluster all the various comments relating to FF and other individual players under their name and have done. That would certainly help when checking who was ITK and who was TBS. Yes there should be a section for SWFC players where all comments relating to that player are posted in their individual thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Standidno said: Yeah yeah, of course they have. Take the blinkers off. He needs to go and it’s for the better You've been claiming he's off for the last 6 months. In fact the only thing you ever post about is him leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Football has only itself to blame for allowing all the TV money to spoil the game..............two faced administrators with stupid rules like parachute payments to protect Prem clubs and their stupid spendings..............FFP rules to penalise those trying to become a Prem club..............madness.............creates an uneven playing field in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said: Not sure? It may start again under fresh ownership. Villa seem to be operating a bit more freely since their recent cash injection? I don't think it starts again. I don't know the ins and outs of Villa's situation, but I thought their issue was partly due to the previous owner struggling with cashflow. As far as I'm aware, our issue isn't to do with a lack of money, more a lack of freedom to spend it under P&S rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: What difference would a takeover or fresh money make? We'd still be operating within the same P&S restrictions, with the same amount of operating losses hanging over our heads, wouldn't we? Not arguing these points, but what happened at Villla ? They were talking about administration, having to sell Grealish etc. Now it's all rosy and they're getting quality loan signings in again. I'm clearly not in the know, but I think a change in ownership is inevitable in the next couple of seasons. It might be rough ride at first, but better for all concerned in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Standidno said: Yeah yeah, of course they have. Take the blinkers off. He needs to go and it’s for the better A statement which divides opinion. But if he does vacate these premises, not to Leeds. It's our duty, as it's the Blades', to try to thwart Leeds' chances of promotion, not enhance them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOT jack whitham Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 37 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: What difference would a takeover or fresh money make? We'd still be operating within the same P&S restrictions, with the same amount of operating losses hanging over our heads, wouldn't we? The same difference it has made to Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: Not arguing these points, but what happened at Villla ? They were talking about administration, having to sell Grealish etc. Now it's all rosy and they're getting quality loan signings in again. I'm clearly not in the know, but I think a change in ownership is inevitable in the next couple of seasons. It might be rough ride at first, but better for all concerned in the long run. Their issue was seemingly different to ours, in that their owner had run out of cash and was struggling to pay his staff's wages. Their new investors have the cash to keep the club running, but they've also inherited the situation caused by the historic overspend, as would any new investors or owners at Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Great Big Galaa said: Not sure? It may start again under fresh ownership. Villa seem to be operating a bit more freely since their recent cash injection? 8 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: Not arguing these points, but what happened at Villla ? They were talking about administration, having to sell Grealish etc. Now it's all rosy and they're getting quality loan signings in again. I'm clearly not in the know, but I think a change in ownership is inevitable in the next couple of seasons. It might be rough ride at first, but better for all concerned in the long run. No offence intended but really don't understand why people can't get their heads around the difference between us and Villa. Villa are still receiving parachute payments, Villa were never in trouble for FFP/P&S (they may be next season?) but not yet. Villa's issue was a £50m? tax bill they briefly couldn't pay because Dr Fruitloop couldn't get his money out of China, but he found new investors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 New investors or a sudden influx of cash isn't going to change the situation with regards to Profit and Sustainability. The club has overspent. Chansiri can pump all the money he wants in, but it doesn't matter as he's spent over the acceptable limits. That would apply to a new owner coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I don't think it starts again. I don't know the ins and outs of Villa's situation, but I thought their issue was partly due to the previous owner struggling with cashflow. As far as I'm aware, our issue isn't to do with a lack of money, more a lack of freedom to spend it under P&S rules. Yes, that's my understanding too. So if Sheikh Mansour took over at the New York, say, he wouldn't be able to spend what he wants as he does at City. That would be determined by the Millers' turnover. OK, the Millers could spend more than they are currently doing, but even though Mansour is far richer than Chansiri, he wouldn't be allowed to spend as much because our turnover is larger than Rotherham's. The solution is to increase our turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jack whitham said: The same difference it has made to Aston Villa. No it wouldn't. They're two totally different situations. See my post above. Villa are still operating under the same P&S rules and have to meet the same requirements on a rolling three year basis as before, but they still have parachute payments boosting their income. The investment there helped cashflow. Unless that's an issue for Chansiri, investment in Wednesday won't make any difference to our financial situation. Edited August 27, 2018 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It doesn’t make sense then does it as we don’t look to be actually pushing players out of the door and we’re looking to recruit and extend some current players contracts and why would the embargo get lifted? Bloody daft situation IMO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, פɹᴉɯqɐɹᴉɐu said: No offence intended but really don't understand why people can't get their heads around the difference between us and Villa. Villa are still receiving parachute payments, Villa were never in trouble for FFP/P&S (they may be next season?) but not yet. Villa's issue was a £50m? tax bill they briefly couldn't pay because Dr Fruitloop couldn't get his money out of China, but he found new investors. No offence taken. The Birmingham Mail had a different view, overshot it on loans like Snodgrass and Terry. From a simple maths persepective he spent money he didn't have / couldnt get his hands on. Your point about parachute payments emplifies their stupidity even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, twolaptops said: Football has only itself to blame for allowing all the TV money to spoil the game..............two faced administrators with stupid rules like parachute payments to protect Prem clubs and their stupid spendings..............FFP rules to penalise those trying to become a Prem club..............madness.............creates an uneven playing field in the Championship I agree with some of this, but the Premier League is the most popular league in the world and every club is in profit, so it's difficult to argue with the PL's strategy. Also, don't forget what a big chunk of our revenue comes from PL solidarity payments. Edited August 27, 2018 by RUMBELOWS91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 hours ago, FreshOwl said: If the six match bundle sales don’t hot up then I think DC will have to seriously consider any bid Is there a queue of bids for the club? Do you know something we don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 As fans can't/won't pay any more, and we can't conjure up a nationwide fan base to increase merchandising revenue, the only way really is via player development. Unfortunately, in that department we've historically been fourth division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Standidno said: Yeah yeah, of course they have. Take the blinkers off. He needs to go and it’s for the better Can you unpack that statement a little more? Why do you think it's for the better? Financially do you mean, or he's not good enough for the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Watson said: Can you unpack that statement a little more? Why do you think it's for the better? Financially do you mean, or he's not good enough for the team? Well, it can't be for footballing reasons in my opinion because I thought he changed the game at the weekend when he took to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: Well, it can't be for footballing reasons in my opinion because I thought he changed the game at the weekend when he took to the field. If that's his/ her argument then I side with you 95% of the time we look better with him in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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