Football Fans - The Price Of Football

[@owlstalk]

The latest football costings review has been done and makes interesting reading..

Premier League: 10 of 20 clubs could have made profits in 2016-17 without fans at games

NOTE - this is just a snapshot - the whole article is an important read
 

Half of Premier League clubs could have played in empty stadiums and still made a pre-tax profit in the first season of the current broadcast deal, BBC research has found.

 

In the 2016-17 campaign in which clubs benefited from a record £8.3bn in global TV revenue, matchday income contributed less than 20p in every £1 earned by 18 top-flight outfits.

 

The number of clubs that would have recorded pre-tax profits even if matchday income was taken away rose from two in 2015-16 to 10 in 2016-17.

 

Dr Rob Wilson, a sport finance specialist at Sheffield Hallam University, said the previous £3.018bn broadcast deal struck in 2012 signalled a permanent change to top-flight football as a business in England.

 

"That is when the focus really went toward generating TV money rather than matchday ticket receipts," he told BBC Sport.

 

"The revenue structures of those clubs are fairly well there to stay now.

 

"When you get a £120m payout from the Premier League for kicking a ball around, you can play in an empty stadium if you need to.

 

"From a revenue generation perspective clubs do not rely anymore on matchday ticket income."

 

 

NOTE - this is just a snapshot - the whole article is an important read

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

[Guest Kameron]

The revenue is still raised through football fans though via Sky subscriptions.  

[Taximark]

1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

The latest football costings review has been done and makes interesting reading..

Premier League: 10 of 20 clubs could have made profits in 2016-17 without fans at games

 

Half of Premier League clubs could have played in empty stadiums and still made a pre-tax profit in the first season of the current broadcast deal, BBC research has found.

 

In the 2016-17 campaign in which clubs benefited from a record £8.3bn in global TV revenue, matchday income contributed less than 20p in every £1 earned by 18 top-flight outfits.

 

The number of clubs that would have recorded pre-tax profits even if matchday income was taken away rose from two in 2015-16 to 10 in 2016-17.

 

Dr Rob Wilson, a sport finance specialist at Sheffield Hallam University, said the previous £3.018bn broadcast deal struck in 2012 signalled a permanent change to top-flight football as a business in England.

 

"That is when the focus really went toward generating TV money rather than matchday ticket receipts," he told BBC Sport.

 

"The revenue structures of those clubs are fairly well there to stay now.

 

"When you get a £120m payout from the Premier League for kicking a ball around, you can play in an empty stadium if you need to.

 

"From a revenue generation perspective clubs do not rely anymore on matchday ticket income."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

Interesting stat but no real shock. Imagine if we had beat Hull in the play off final you can bet that my season ticket would have gone to 850 quid on the south and matchday prices v liverpool would be 70 quid under Chansiri. 

[The Regulator]

And yet they still receive failure payments for relegation. Given the profits clubs are now making, surely this outdated practice should be stopped and clubs forced to manage their own risk that the gravy train may one day come to a stop.

[torres]

42 minutes ago, TaxiMark said:

Interesting stat but no real shock. Imagine if we had beat Hull in the play off final you can bet that my season ticket would have gone to 850 quid on the south and matchday prices v liverpool would be 70 quid under Chansiri. 

 

Don’t worry pal it’ll be near enough that next year. 

 

 

[canyoujust]

We are merely part of a money making machine and playthings for bored yanks or rich family members

 

football as a society and game for all walks of life died 30 years ago. 

 

Enjoy 4HDliveukVarslowmo as it will be 80 quid a month soon just to watch it on tv 

[torres]

Football without supporters isn’t a spectacle.

 

As supporters in this country I can’t decide whether we are stupidly loyal or just stupid.

 

Other countries supporters wouldn’t put up with this.

 

Clubs are an absolute moral disgrace. 

[g-owls]

I was having this debate elsewhere yesterday.

 

West Brom were being praised for slashing ticket prices this season - Looking at the figures it's easy to see why they are in a position to do so.

 

Instead of the vast parachute payments dished out to clubs who quite frankly have had crap seasons, the money would be better served being distributed amongst all the clubs as a way of keeping ticket prices at an acceptable level across the board.

 

There's obviously more chance of platting fog than it happening, but we can all dream I suppose.

[torres]

The clubs are never going to agree to anything which means they can't fleece the supporters so the FA should step in and set a price limit of tickets throughout the country.

 

Sadly the FA are a spineless bunch of nobody's so there is more chance of Abdi winning player of the year 

[Inspector Lestrade]

The money could be better spent throughout the leagues and for the grassroots.

 

  

[Buxtongent]

But yet we complain when the club makes a stand about radio broadcasting rights being REDUCED.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Buxtongent
alteration.

[@owlstalk]

6 minutes ago, Buxtongent said:

But yet we complain when the club makes a stand about radio broadcasting rights being REDUCED.

 

 

That whole saga is a massive irrelevant stand over a few grand

[clud17]

19 minutes ago, Watson said:

The money could be better spent throughout the leagues and for the grassroots.

  

 

They invented Desso pitches so less money needs to be spent on grass roots.

[torres]

28 minutes ago, Watson said:

The money could be better spent throughout the leagues and for the grassroots.

 

  

 

That is one thing that can not be labelled at them. The youth facilities in the top 2 leagues now are fantastic.

 

Not getting a chance to progress however is a different matter 

[Blatter]

Interesting that three of them made a profit whilst getting relegated.

 

I bet Chansiri has noticed and factored that into his business plan.

[Birley Owl 1867]

3 hours ago, TaxiMark said:

Interesting stat but no real shock. Imagine if we had beat Hull in the play off final you can bet that my season ticket would have gone to 850 quid on the south and matchday prices v liverpool would be 70 quid under Chansiri. 

Disagree. Matchday prices would have fell because we could afford to give them away for nowt as the article shows.

[coopswfc76]

49 minutes ago, torres said:

 

That is one thing that can not be labelled at them. The youth facilities in the top 2 leagues now are fantastic.

 

Not getting a chance to progress however is a different matter 

 

A professional football clubs academy is miles away from grassroots football.

Every reasonably sized village in the country should have a well kept grass and 4g pitch along with changing rooms to allow use all year round for kids and adults. 

Our contribution to grassroots football is embarrassing when you see how much top flight clubs generate these days.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

9 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Disagree. Matchday prices would have fell because we could afford to give them away for nowt as the article shows.

Do you really believe that mate?

[torres]

Just now, coopswfc76 said:

 

A professional football clubs academy is miles away from grassroots football.

Every reasonably sized village in the country should have a well kept grass and 4g pitch along with changing rooms to allow use all year round for kids and adults. 

Our contribution to grassroots football is embarrassing when you see how much top flight clubs generate these days.

 

I disagree slightly 

 

The FA (for once) have done some good in producing good and reasonably priced facilities for under 16's around the country. They are still working towards more pitches etc

The clubs take on the best young players around the country and give them the opportunity to progress.

That is what grass roots should be.

 

They are striving to produce the best players for the national team.

 

Football for adults should be self financed or government led as part of a fitness and rec programme.

 

Why should clubs or the FA fund 40 year old fat Barry and his mates who fancy a kick about?

 

[coopswfc76]

20 minutes ago, torres said:

 

I disagree slightly 

 

The FA (for once) have done some good in producing good and reasonably priced facilities for under 16's around the country. They are still working towards more pitches etc

The clubs take on the best young players around the country and give them the opportunity to progress.

That is what grass roots should be.

 

They are striving to produce the best players for the national team.

 

Football for adults should be self financed or government led as part of a fitness and rec programme.

 

Why should clubs or the FA fund 40 year old fat Barry and his mates who fancy a kick about?

 

 

Because fat Barry might love his football and contribute via Sky, Match tickets, Merchandise etc. Fat Barry then encourages his kids to watch/play football and the cycle continues.

 

At the minute grassroots clubs are folding all over the country and why should fat Barry not be able to play an organised game on decent facilities for a few quid.