debram Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, handworth52 said: buying jr was a huge mistake said it then too ,not doing that deal would have avoided us going into an embargo ,now we have 1 of the smallest squads what has several injury proned players ,along with 2-3players who jos will not touch ,if we get out of this massive hole and stop up it will be as better achievement than going up ,I really think the job is that tough ,fans need to wake up and say this aint acceptable whats happening to our great club ,id take 4th bottom now and avoiding a points deduction . what kind of team might we be able to play by December? it will be at least filled by 5-6 u23s yes things are a bit of a mess at present but we must try and be positive, dont underate the u23s, they may be our saviour this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: Remains to be seen. Clearly the wage bill is as big a factor as anything else. But given that we've trimmed Loovens, Wallace, Hunt, and Venâncio from that and also made savings on what Rhodes is being paid p/m via his deal with Norwich.... Then I think that it's possible that we will be able to resist January raids. But there are three other factors in that which will come into play in that. Where we are in the table in January. - 1) Near the top end - I think DC will stick with his no sale strategy. 2) Struggling - and looking at the trapdoor then I think there would be a fire sale as we couldn't cope with big earners in division 3. 3) Safe - but not challenging Jos might ask for sales to free up funds to bring in his own players and start moulding a squad of his own making. How much of the savings have been held aside Of the money saved on players like Hunt, Wallace and Loovens leaving I would be interested to know if that money has been put aside ready to be put towards new contracts for some of our current players when their deals run out. If it hasn't. ..then we may need sales before they can walk for nothing in the summer. I would hope..that that money is sat waiting. Building a side At some stage the squad will need an overhaul. It is -as it has been for 2 years - hugely unbalanced. We have some real quality in some areas but in others a paucity of quality and ,if we're being honest, some division 3 players. Jos I do think (or whoever is in charge) needs to be able to make changes to the playing side to create a cohesive unit. That might mean letting some of our best players go. Bannan, Fernando, etc. Whilst that would be hard for some fans to take it is gives us a more balanced aide, albeit with less individual talent, then it needs to be done. A cohesive team unit, well drilled and in a system that suits ALL th3 players, will over time always be more useful than and unbalanced one with frailties that relys too often (even in 'Year One') on moments of individual brilliance dragging us through. It's not what fans want to hear. Then again. I didn't want to hear a huge talent like Dalian Atkinson was leaving. But.... .....it allowed us to become a much better 'team' overall even though the individual replacments might not have been as exciting. Atkinson out = Wilson in + Williams in +Money banked = Balance That's what successful football seasons are built on. IMO. Thanks Snoots. Very good post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, BRADDO said: Thanks Snoots. Very good post. Sometimes (and it's not easy) we have to separate the emotion that football brings from our strategic thinking. And that is as true for the chairman as the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: Worth a try in the Cup IMO I agree with this and the OP, Van Aken could work better as an anchorman than Pelupessy as he's got greater physical presence and probably has a better eye for a pass too. It would be worth a try against Sunderland on Thursday as that game is essentially a free shot and a genuinely vital chance to experiment with the squad, given its various limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggoisgod Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I think JVA will be OK. He came into a struggling side lasts year and it clearly ruined his confidence. I would try him at LWB personally as he has pace and a good delivery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, debram said: Absolutely 100% Was rhetorical, just wanted one last dig at Carlos as you were about to let him off the hook for something 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, debram said: yes things are a bit of a mess at present but we must try and be positive, dont underate the u23s, they may be our saviour this season 1 minute ago, debram said: I don't underrate the u23s and they will have to be our saviour this season ,though some of the u23s don't have any league experience ie jack lee, alex hunt and they would have benefited from a loan to help there progress , been thrown in at the deep end in a possible relegation fight aint the best way to start your career . some fantastic players have been made through young players going out on loan ,the trouble is though with a squad of 18-19 that just wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Groundhopping Owl said: I agree with this and the OP, Van Aken could work better as an anchorman than Pelupessy as he's got greater physical presence and probably has a better eye for a pass too. It would be worth a try against Sunderland on Thursday as that game is essentially a free shot and a genuinely vital chance to experiment with the squad, given its various limitations. pelupessy arms are bigger than van akens legs not sure id agree with you on that about van aken physically stronger than pelupessy , joost certainly might be a better footballer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls_wawaw Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, BRADDO said: How typical of wednesday to allow both Sasso and Venancio to leave and we pay 4 million for this guy. Crazy. Absolutely this I thought sasso grew into the role and was much better than we gave him credit for and Fred was just immense such a shame we couldn't get him but what if we get him on loan woop woop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Feel like we brought him in because we wanted someone that looked OK on the ball. When we actually needed a tough guy that did the basics. Every championship team needs that type of player at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 4 hours ago, stevie snerklebox said: The performances of Pelupessy have got me into thinking that we should maybe try to move JVA into this CM position. Good on the ball, can pick a pass, a bit more of a physical presence in the middle? Not mobile enough as a CB, he’d make Pelupessy look like Kante! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Joost in a holding role isn't the worst idea in the world. Allows him to get on the ball and use his passing ability and means he's making f*ck ups a bit further away from our goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 He can't turn and has the positional sense of Stevie Wonder in the Crystal Maze dome. Midfield my arz. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Im sure theyve got a ten year old off the kop to scout new players..not much of it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 The calls to put van Aken in midfield are amongst the most brain dead to ever appear on the site. Taking a player who is underperforming in the easier position on the pitch - and underperforming due to agility, presence, technique, passing under pressure, speed of thought, decision making and all round general nous - and putting him to a much more difficult position is just bonkers van Aken first needs to justify a place in his preferred position...currently I’d put him behind the training dummies and the traffic cone on Penistone Road 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 hours ago, McRightSide said: The calls to put van Aken in midfield are amongst the most brain dead to ever appear on the site. Taking a player who is underperforming in the easier position on the pitch - and underperforming due to agility, presence, technique, passing under pressure, speed of thought, decision making and all round general nous - and putting him to a much more difficult position is just bonkers van Aken first needs to justify a place in his preferred position...currently I’d put him behind the training dummies and the traffic cone on Penistone Road Very true. In fact, you could argue that he's our ploppest signing since Chansiri seized power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie snerklebox Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 12 hours ago, McRightSide said: The calls to put van Aken in midfield are amongst the most brain dead to ever appear on the site. Taking a player who is underperforming in the easier position on the pitch - and underperforming due to agility, presence, technique, passing under pressure, speed of thought, decision making and all round general nous - and putting him to a much more difficult position is just bonkers van Aken first needs to justify a place in his preferred position...currently I’d put him behind the training dummies and the traffic cone on Penistone Road I'll get me coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 19 hours ago, BRADDO said: How typical of wednesday to allow both Sasso and Venancio to leave and we pay 4 million for this guy. Crazy. your welcome. Don't forget to buy your membership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 14 hours ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Im sure theyve got a ten year old off the kop to scout new players..not much of it makes sense We have a 10 year old in charge of the club mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beloved_aunt Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I think the only position OT hasn't suggested moving JVA to is goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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