pussface Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: What if Chansiri said "OK, prove to us you’re worth this £x k a week by breaking into the team and banging the goals. Then we will work to meet you halfway", only to be told that no matter what, Hirst wouldn't be signing the contract and would be joining Leicester City or their Belgian feeder club at the end of his current deal? Then that’s all on Hirst and his advisors. Meanwhile DC perfectly demonstrates he was being reasonable. Instead he gets spiteful and shows himself up (again) in negative light. Id say comedy of errors, but this $hit isn’t funny. Edited August 13, 2018 by pussface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 We are hopeless at dealing with sorts of things - always have been and always will. All parties need to move to on - just hope we have leaned something from it but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, cowl said: He should have said this to him before he decided to stop him from playing for the U23s or going out on loan How do you know he didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: How do you know he didn't? Because it's there in the 'Ask the Chairman' series that dealt with Hirst. Quote We have tried over and over again to negotiate to extend the contract of George Hirst but each offer has been turned down. We were categorically informed just before the closure of the transfer window in August 2017 that “George will not be signing a new deal at the club.” And DC had stopped Hirst from playing for the club around about the middle of August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: How do you know he didn't? Conjecture. Besides, whouldh’t DC have disclosed this if it was the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, cowl said: Because it's there in the 'Ask the Chairman' series that dealt with Hirst. And DC had stopped Hirst from playing for the club around about the middle of August. I'm not sure how that precludes the possibility that Chansiri asked George Hirst to prove his worth, only to be rebuffed by the player and his advisors. It's hardly unheard of for players looking for a move to make things as awkward as possible at their current club in order to engineer a move. The bit I found most revealing from the chairman's statement is this: "The fact that the notification that George would not be signing for SWFC came just over an hour after we had turned down an offer from a Premier League club for the permanent transfer of George’s registration. Of course, this made us wonder if there were talks taking place with regards to George’s future which we were not party to." It's pretty clear that he had his head turned by Leicester and had been in discussions with them without Wednesday's permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I'm not sure how that precludes the possibility that Chansiri asked George Hirst to prove his worth, only to be rebuffed by the player and his advisors. It's hardly unheard of for players looking for a move to make things as awkward as possible at their current club in order to engineer a move. The bit I found most revealing from the chairman's statement is this: "The fact that the notification that George would not be signing for SWFC came just over an hour after we had turned down an offer from a Premier League club for the permanent transfer of George’s registration. Of course, this made us wonder if there were talks taking place with regards to George’s future which we were not party to." It's pretty clear that he had his head turned by Leicester and had been in discussions with them without Wednesday's permission. You seem to have missed the part about DC stopping Hirst from playing and training with the club until he signed his contract. It happened in about mid-August, and it's a bit of a negotiation killer. I don't think you just carry on negotiating normally like nothing happened with a guy that does this. DC was hardly showing how he'll safeguard his future with this utterly needless and excessive power move with a player that still had a year left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfern Froggatt Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 12/08/2018 at 09:57, Kameron said: Serves us right for turning down the original offer. why would we accept £2m when we should have been entitled to this as a minimum in compo for developing GH since he was 12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Redfern Froggatt said: why would we accept £2m when we should have been entitled to this as a minimum in compo for developing GH since he was 12? And this is the thinking behind us getting the sq root of f*ck all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeback owl Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Hookowl said: Not quite sure what your point is ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, cowl said: You seem to have missed the part about DC stopping Hirst from playing and training with the club until he signed his contract. It happened in about mid-August, and it's a bit of a negotiation killer. I don't think you just carry on negotiating normally like nothing happened with a guy that does this. DC was hardly showing how he'll safeguard his future with this utterly needless and excessive power move with a player that still had a year left on his contract. Again, we don't know exactly what led to the decision to prevent Hirst playing. I've heard speculation, but it remains just that as far as I'm concerned. Clearly negotiations weren't progressing as expected and it seems Hirst was already in contact with Leicester as he was aware of their bid for him within an hour of it happening. Beyond that, who knows what was really going on behind closed doors? Either way, we've fallen prey to some pretty shady practice on Leicester City's part which, if allowed to continue by the powers that be, could spell the end for academy football at lower league clubs in the not-too-distant future. Hopefully the loophole that's allowed us to be screwed out of the usual compensation is closed before this kind of thing becomes common practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. He almost sold us to a chancer from the land of fire mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. Player power and money talks - if Sir Alex and Man U can be done in similar (yet different) fashion - I am not sure it matters who is in charge. All Chansiri did was act upon principles (Shame Hirst and Co didn’t), whereas Mandaric might have been more business. I myself can’t fault our chairman for the position he took. Edited August 13, 2018 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. If they were determined to shaft us, what could any chairman have done to prevent it, though? Sell Hirst for £2m = shafted. Refuse to sell and have him leave via an obscure loophole which prevents us being paid compensation for his development = shafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. Milan would have accepted the first offer of £350K that he received. Always one to sell a player on the cheap if it reduced the amount he had to put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Flashman Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. If a player doesn't wanna sign there's nowt anyone can do. Mind.its swings and roundabouts. If we still had Milan in charge we wouldn't have been able to afford having 7 other forwards blocking his route to the first team! Mind. He gone now. Spilt milk int it. Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Ridgeback owl said: So Hirst senior is looking out for his son .... Wouldn't we all ? It's just another chapter in a club run by a guy that hasn't got a flipping clue. The amount of money wasted to get us in the FFP mess we are in could have gone a long way to set us up for years with good young talent. Instead good prospects like Hirst and Clare have gone !! that young lad has been playing and scoring for England FFS but all the happy clappers are having a pop at him and his dad for wanting a good deal ..... Don't we all want a good deal ?...... Amateurish running of the club again IMO How much do you think we should have offered him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Am i on my own in thinking this whole farce would never have happened under Manderic and Paul Aldridge ? Milan wouldnt have allowed us to be shafted by David Hirst and Leicester. Hmm he sold Antonio to Forest for A million the deal of the century that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfern Froggatt Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Costello 77 said: And this is the thinking behind us getting the sq root of f*ck all. That is how it has turned out but nothing wrong with the logic. This is the first time this sort of thing has been done - lots of big clubs have feeder clubs in other countries and these same clubs hoover up all the best young talent from smaller clubs. Prior to this though they have always bought direct from the club and paid compo - eg Chelsea bought Ampadu direct from Exeter not via their Belgian feeder club where he will probably end up. Criticise DC for freezing out GH or not caving into his wage demands but don't criticise for not anticipating Leicester would pull this stunt because absolutely no one saw it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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