IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 And who had the final say on actually bringing them in? Because it's our dealings in the transfer market that have royally fizzed us up. Particularly after the play off defeat. As far as I can see, Chansiri has indeed invested a significant amount of money on transfer fees and wages......but it's been horrendously mismanaged. And there's no clarity on who's responsible. At some point we were led to believe Carlos was purely a coach and had little say on incomings. But then suddenly Carlos was responsible, and now we're told certain players were signed as a "gift" to the fans, suggesting Chansiri himself. It all just seems a complete clusterfuck. Pretty much just - "Here's the amount I'm putting in - we've got a couple of years deadline to get up or we're fizzed. Let's sign some players". Scattergun approach. No strategy, no thought beyond 3 years, no contingency plan if it doesn't work out etc.... We're talking significant sums on fees and wages, used up on "risky" signings. Players in their late 20s and early 30s with no resale value whatsoever. All the while neglecting areas that CLEARLY needed addressing. We knew 2 years ago that Loovens was coming to the end and we'd need a replacement. Same with Pudil. And Wallace. We knew we couldn't rely on Hutch for any period of time. And they're just the obvious things. Those elements of the play off team needed addressing without even adding to it. Why on earth didn't we spend the money we gambled on players coming to the end of their careers, on serious replacements for those players at the very least? Who ever decided to pursue the likes of Fletcher, Abdi, Jones and Rhodes? Whoever it was needs a slap. I know some like to point out it's easy in hindsight, but there were plenty of people highlighting the fact that we were neglecting areas that needed attention even back then. Many said this could come back to bite us on the arse. If the club had shown a bit of foresight and used up our available transfer pot on more players with a future (with resale value, as they actually did with Reach and Winnal), we'd now be in a position where we could easily sell a couple of players and rebalance properly. No silly contracts given to aging players with no resale value. Many on here felt that was the correct way to go. And they say football fans know nothing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 It were fun tho. I loved it, let's do it again sometime soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 CC big mistake was changing his tactics so drastically going from attacking to defensive mode. Should have held his nerve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 DC said last night that CC was completely in charge of second year recruitment So... Jones Abdi Urby Fletcher Fox kean Buckley Mcmanaman Sasso Reach Safe to say that (excluding Reach) Carlos had a complete and utter f*cking nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, Watson said: CC big mistake was changing his tactics so drastically going from attacking to defensive mode. Should have held his nerve. Whichever tactics we used, there was always a chance we wouldn't get promoted. Our transfer dealings seem to suggest failure was never considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Let’s be honest the final decision would always come down to DC. Nobody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Watson said: CC big mistake was changing his tactics so drastically going from attacking to defensive mode. Should have held his nerve. Happens to all Wednesday managers for some reason Happened to Megson, Dave Jones, Carlos etc etc - all of em Every time a manager does defensive at Sheffield Wednesday it doesn't work That's why KEEGAN is the man (on a serious note though we need to go out with the mentality of scoring first, scoring most and trying to win every game 6-5) Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: Whichever tactics we used, there was always a chance we wouldn't get promoted. Our transfer dealings seem to suggest failure was never considered. Yep DC went for broke was all or nothing just those pesky other clubs not standing aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 It was Ozzie FFS. UTO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Happens to all Wednesday managers for some reason Happened to Megson, Dave Jones, Carlos etc etc - all of em Every time a manager does defensive at Sheffield Wednesday it doesn't work That's why KEEGAN is the man (on a serious note though we need to go out with the mentality of scoring first, scoring most and trying to win every game 6-5) Yep nothing better than an early goal and then going for the second a bit like Middlesborough tonight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Quote "In the first instance, and to be clear, all our potential transfer targets are identified by the head coach. It is the responsibility of Carlos to present players that he believes will improve our squad. The strategy has always been to have two players for each position. This covers all options and ensures competition for places in the team is strong as the players challenge each other. "Our committee will discuss in detail the prospect of any player signing for Sheffield Wednesday. There are many things to consider on a player fitting into the structure of our squad and our club as a whole so it is important that every aspect is scrutinised to reach the right conclusion. We must also assess the player as an investment and his long term value to our club. "Carlos will present his targets on a basis of preference. So if we cannot achieve the first target, we move on to the second and so on. Of course, it may well be that our advisors suggest another player on occasion in discussion – this is completely normal – and the head coach will say yes or no, the final say on any player’s suitability rests with him. From the Chairmans Q&A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Let’s be honest the final decision would always come down to DC. Nobody else. He'd have the final say in terms of releasing the money yes. But he can't have been the one identifying the areas that needed strengthening and who was the most suitable player, surely. If it's true that Carlos was the one who pursued the likes of Abdi and Jones, while missing the glaring holes in other areas, then he has to shoulder a large portion of blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynecoyne14 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I don't think carlos chose the players as he rarely played any of them i.e. abdi, Rhodes ,buckley mcmanaman, venancio, urby, lachman, i'm sure there are others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTacoSWFC Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, WalthamOwl said: Let’s be honest the final decision would always come down to DC. Nobody else. Yeah it would have... but you would trust your manager who supposedly knows about football... wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 We only have ourselves to blame. DC said he bought players the fans wanted so it's our fault....apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Carlos definitely didnt want Rhodes. I do know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Helen Keller / David Blunkett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, poite said: We only have ourselves to blame. DC said he bought players the fans wanted so it's our fault....apparently That doesn't make it our fault, it just means that we wanted them nothing more. Most to my memory were welcomed by OT especially Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hillsborough Mole said: Carlos definitely didnt want Rhodes. I do know that How do you know? Thought you were an actual mole, not a spy mole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Watson said: How do you know? Thought you were an actual mole, not a spy mole. Pillow talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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