MrTacoSWFC Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Grown men making such accusations FFS... some people need to grow up. Things got heated, whether he said something or not just let it pass. It's such a PC society these days it just gets ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, lukestheman82 said: Was there any proof in the John Terry/ Patrice Evra incident a few years back. I genuinely can't remember. Think you've got two incidents mixed up there. Evra was racially abused by Suarez, and Suarez got banned for 11 games I think. Evra reported the incident. Terry was accused of abusing Anton Ferdinand by a photographer of all people. The FA refused to back their captain at the time, and Capello quit his post as England manager because of it. Terry was cleared by a court of racism, but the FA banned him anyway for 4 matches (just to save face I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: That's a total irrelevance in more ways than one though All they'll say is the game is a million miles and hour and that was an accidental challenge with no malice intended at all Was this during the game or the handbags afterwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgrade_owl Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 It really IS a candy though :/ Good one too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I trust we won't be playing anymore so called 'friendlies' with Mansfield in future, or with teams managed by *hitcroft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Let's be as objective about this as we can. It's ruddy weird that it took five and a half days for Mansfield to launch something official. You would think that had something been said, they would have taken their case to the authorities posthaste. Equally, although FF can get a mardy so-and-so at times, he has never ever struck me as someone who would say anything aggressive towards someone, particularly making a racial remark. However You can't help but feel that Mansfield wouldn't have taken the action they're taking unless they felt it was worth taking to the police. It's not smart to make false claims. And as has been said... Pearce looked particularly incensed... well beyond what you'd perhaps expect from the situation as it appeared on first viewing. Innocent until proven guilty has to be the mentality... it's how things work in this country. "No smoke without fire" is a potentially dangerous phrase to throw around when accusations like this have been made public. But it seems mad that Mansfield wouldn't be making movements to the authorities unless they were pretty damned convinced that something amiss was said. Hopefully it really is just a case of misunderstanding or mishearing or something. If it turns out FF said something racist... he has to go. End of. What, even if they were well aware that a number of misconduct charges were going to be coming their way backed up with much stronger evidence than the flimsy hearsay allegations of Racism they claim. Get your defence in first with probably the ONLY defence where the normal rules of innocent till proven guilty are thrown in the bin and the old rule of 'No smoke without fire' takes precedence. Mansfield know this, the guy who should be on a Police charge for assault will know this, and no doubt the board (if they actually have a board) of Mansfield Town will know this. A small club like these toe rags cannot afford to have a couple of their key players banned, so let the issue do it's own work and fester for a few days & sure enough, before it dies down, resurrect it with today's statement. 'Get out of Jail free', do not pass go, do not collect £200. Go straight to the double standards penitentiary where the 'guilty of simply being accused' are sent and usually on a life sentence with no remission. The thug who attacked FF & presumably numerous others that night? How dare you infer he was to blame. Have you not heard of the old adage 'innocent till proven guilty'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BRUCE LEE Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Think you've got two incidents mixed up there. Evra was racially abused by Suarez, and Suarez got banned for 11 games I think. Evra reported the incident. Terry was accused of abusing Anton Ferdinand by a photographer of all people. The FA refused to back their captain at the time, and Capello quit his post as England manager because of it. Terry was cleared by a court of racism, but the FA banned him anyway for 4 matches (just to save face I think) Difference being Suarez told Liverpool straight after the game that he called him the Spanish word for black, he confirmed what he said and tried to explain the confusion on the basis it has a different meaning in his language Terry, well Terry is what he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying V Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: My concern is how Forestieri is gonna cope with that going on. Could mess with his head to the point he doesn't play how he normally does, and could even lead to him thinking 'sod this' and heading off abroad to another club to get away from the stress in much the same way Jim Morrison moved to Paris when he got busted for showing his willy wonka at one of his last gigs. In Miami I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's a total irrelevance in more ways than one though All they'll say is the game is a million miles and hour and that was an accidental challenge with no malice intended at all Apparently trying to shake your opponents hand with your feet is common practice in Mansfield Edited July 30, 2018 by BRUCE LEE 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukestheman82 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Think you've got two incidents mixed up there. Evra was racially abused by Suarez, and Suarez got banned for 11 games I think. Evra reported the incident. Terry was accused of abusing Anton Ferdinand by a photographer of all people. The FA refused to back their captain at the time, and Capello quit his post as England manager because of it. Terry was cleared by a court of racism, but the FA banned him anyway for 4 matches (just to save face I think) Ahh, my bad. So, basically, guilty or not, the accusation can furrrk up a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: The thug who attacked FF & presumably numerous others that night? How dare you infer he was to blame. Have you not heard of the old adage 'innocent till proven guilty'. Yes, that's why I literally said it in my post ya daft sausage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Enjoying a couple of varieties of comment in this thread: "Maybe he only called him 'black xxxx' in Spanish so that's fine" "Yeah but South Americans are racist" Good work guys, keep it up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, BRUCE LEE said: Difference being Suarez told Liverpool straight after the game that he called him the Spanish word for black, he confirmed what he said and tried to explain the confusion on the basis it has a different meaning in his language Terry, well Terry is what he is With LS and FF having similar South American upbringings, there may be a similar occurrence here with FF. Whereas Terry was proven to be not guilty yet the FA still banned him anyway, regardless of the character he is that is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, lukestheman82 said: Ahh, my bad. So, basically, guilty or not, the accusation can furrrk up a career. Basically, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, lukestheman82 said: Ahh, my bad. So, basically, guilty or not, the accusation can furrrk up a career. Not really - just that the FA operate on balance of doubt, whilst courts go for beyond reasonable doubt. If you're 90% certain Terry abused Ferdinand, the courts shouldn't convict but the FA can ban him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, southportdc said: Not really - just that the FA operate on balance of doubt, whilst courts go for beyond reasonable doubt. If you're 90% certain Terry abused Ferdinand, the courts shouldn't convict but the FA can ban him. This is correct, albeit these days the burden of proof used is "sure". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, southportdc said: Enjoying a couple of varieties of comment in this thread: "Maybe he only called him 'black xxxx' in Spanish so that's fine" "Yeah but South Americans are racist" Good work guys, keep it up. I'm also quite enjoying the "racist or not, it's just a bit of name calling" strain of argument. It's as if the 1970s never ended for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys Salopettes Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's a total irrelevance in more ways than one though All they'll say is the game is a million miles and hour and that was an accidental challenge with no malice intended at all Wasn't this after full time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, southportdc said: Not really - just that the FA operate on balance of doubt, whilst courts go for beyond reasonable doubt. If you're 90% certain Terry abused Ferdinand, the courts shouldn't convict but the FA can ban him. The FA banned Terry to save face after losing Capello over the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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