SolihullOwl79 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 FFP is actually FUP. Ie Financially Unfair Play. The big cubs already with money and in the Champions league are the only TRUE beneficiarys of FFP as they get external income from TV money to aid their purchases and cover losses. Gone are the days of a rich person investing ala Jack Hayward in his boyhood club and creating a dream team. Man city, Man Utd, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool et Al are not truly affected by FFP. They probably never will be. So long as a club isn't running up actual debts and as long as the owner has capital to invest on a no strings basis, why should they not be allowed to spend their fortune on getting their team promoted . Yes there is an issue of sustainability should they pull out, but if they were allowed to prove funds existed to fulfill existing contracts should they decide to sell, then they should be allowed to buy who they like. Rumours are being spread that chansiri has no cash which according to his company wealth is not true. It's just simply a case of him not being to use his own money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglejay Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Completely agree. Whilst it's under the disguise of stopping clubs going out of business, which lets face it is a good thing. In my view it's there to ensure the elite remain the elite and prevents anyone with a wealthy owner from gatecrashing their party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxOwl Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 It's a load of bollxs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 FFP is an absolute joke, football is a business just like any other always has been. FFP has nothing to do with helping clubs avoid going bust, their are more clubs at the bottom end of the leagues getting in to difficulty likes of Hartlepool etc. Not as if they spent millions. All about maintaining premier league clubs having a unfair advantage. I would think the FL will not do anything just in case the PL say ok from now on no relegation and while we are at it we are going to start PL 2 and invite 18 teams from the ELF. Overnight the ELF becomes a minor league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, Harrysgame said: FFP is an absolute joke, football is a business just like any other always has been. FFP has nothing to do with helping clubs avoid going bust, their are more clubs at the bottom end of the leagues getting in to difficulty likes of Hartlepool etc. Not as if they spent millions. All about maintaining premier league clubs having a unfair advantage. I would think the FL will not do anything just in case the PL say ok from now on no relegation and while we are at it we are going to start PL 2 and invite 18 teams from the ELF. Overnight the ELF becomes a minor league. EFL OOPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hougoumont Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, Harrysgame said: FFP is an absolute joke, football is a business just like any other always has been. FFP has nothing to do with helping clubs avoid going bust, their are more clubs at the bottom end of the leagues getting in to difficulty likes of Hartlepool etc. Not as if they spent millions. All about maintaining premier league clubs having a unfair advantage. I would think the FL will not do anything just in case the PL say ok from now on no relegation and while we are at it we are going to start PL 2 and invite 18 teams from the ELF. Overnight the ELF becomes a minor league. "Football is a business the same as any other".........yes mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfr142 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 7 hours ago, SolihullOwl79 said: FFP is actually FUP. Ie Financially Unfair Play. The big cubs already with money and in the Champions league are the only TRUE beneficiarys of FFP as they get external income from TV money to aid their purchases and cover losses. Gone are the days of a rich person investing ala Jack Hayward in his boyhood club and creating a dream team. Man city, Man Utd, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool et Al are not truly affected by FFP. They probably never will be. So long as a club isn't running up actual debts and as long as the owner has capital to invest on a no strings basis, why should they not be allowed to spend their fortune on getting their team promoted . Yes there is an issue of sustainability should they pull out, but if they were allowed to prove funds existed to fulfill existing contracts should they decide to sell, then they should be allowed to buy who they like. Rumours are being spread that chansiri has no cash which according to his company wealth is not true. It's just simply a case of him not being to use his own money. Don't worry chansiri is skint anyway we are missing nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SettleForADraw Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Don’t get how Leicester can break the rules, gain promotion, win the prem and then get slapped with a measly 3 million fine. Bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Aren't big CUBS, Scouts ? Edited July 6, 2018 by Lawrie Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, Lawrie Madden said: Aren't big CUBS, Scouts ? There is a joke in this somewhere: big cubs, finances, cheetahs... if someone else can put the joke together feel free. Think of it as flat-pack comedy. Buy the joke and assemble yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 My own view is that of owners are willing to place money in Escrow they should be allowed to spend what they want. In my world, owners would be able to spend what they want (not on a loan basis, it has to be put into the club without liability). In addition, an amount matching the previous 3 years losses has to be put in escrow which would give the club time to escape the huge wage bills etc left behind if an owner goes belly up or walks away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 8 hours ago, SolihullOwl79 said: FFP is actually FUP. Ie Financially Unfair Play. The big cubs already with money and in the Champions league are the only TRUE beneficiarys of FFP as they get external income from TV money to aid their purchases and cover losses. Gone are the days of a rich person investing ala Jack Hayward in his boyhood club and creating a dream team. Man city, Man Utd, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool et Al are not truly affected by FFP. They probably never will be. So long as a club isn't running up actual debts and as long as the owner has capital to invest on a no strings basis, why should they not be allowed to spend their fortune on getting their team promoted . Yes there is an issue of sustainability should they pull out, but if they were allowed to prove funds existed to fulfill existing contracts should they decide to sell, then they should be allowed to buy who they like. Rumours are being spread that chansiri has no cash which according to his company wealth is not true. It's just simply a case of him not being to use his own money. The FFP rules that we are subject to are set by the Football League and have nothing at all to do with teams in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I dont think Wednesday should be using FFP rules as an excuse. Huddersfield have proved you can stay within FFP rules, get promoted and not have £40 tickets as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Rule made by the big clubs, for the big clubs, to keep the shop closed Its the equivalent of education for all, by introducing tuition fees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelcityowlsfan Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 It’s a total waste of time but nobody seems to want to challenge it or come up with a fairer system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogerwyldesmullet Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, matthefish2002 said: I dont think Wednesday should be using FFP rules as an excuse. Huddersfield have proved you can stay within FFP rules, get promoted and not have £40 tickets as well. This ^^^ let’s get on with it, get fit, stop feeling sorry for ourselves, play well, beat the opposites and get promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said: This ^^^ let’s get on with it, get fit, stop feeling sorry for ourselves, play well, beat the opposites and get promotion. Lets get the band back together! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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