londonowl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, cowl said: Why would I need God's permission before criticizing someone? And if you're ridiculous 'Devil's Advocate' position is merely to point out that he can do what he wants because he's the owner, then no-one would dispute that he can do what he wants, but like anyone who does what they want there really ought to be consequences. There are consequences. He will lose his money. My point is that there are going to be times that the Chairman will do what he wants because that's what he wants to do and for no other reason. That is his right, most people don't actually know what has happened and if he has made his decision purely and simply because he felt wronged by the Hirst's, I may be alone here, but I can actually support him in that. IF his position was that he would rather let GH leave for free than agree to whatever the terms were and that came about as a result of something personally important to him, then my point is, he has that right and I personally believe it his choice to do so. Of course he can be criticized for it but it's difficult to have a particularly strong opinion when not many people really know the facts. Edited June 25, 2018 by londonowl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 100 big ones. There's less in the transfer thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 That's it, 100 pages. No more from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky belly Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Let’s go for the double century chaps. I can see a Brian Lara innings in this thread 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalisburyOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, KivoOwl said: - His counter-proposal was rejected, and he was told that until he signed a contract he would be pulled from training with the first team and pulled from playing with any team Kivo you’ve been very selective with your comment there. Yes the counter proposal was rejected. But it was also made clear, according to Mr C, that the Hirst camp was not prepared to enter into negotiations. I wonder what you would do if an employee of yours behaved in that manner. Would you continue to invest time and money in his development knowing that he was going to take those skills to another employer?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydubz Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, londonowl said: You neither had to read it nor contribute. If you are not interested and know the facts anyway, why bother subjecting yourself to other people's opinions? If you are interested, I'm sure you would find that very little of this thread is about George Hirst, if you have no recognition of a bigger picture here, Love Island might be more up your street. What a mug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, BIG D said: You're a proper Wednesday fan Kivo, if you were Hirst would you have just signed for some tinpot outfit in Belguim so you could screw Wednesday? I know I wouldn't. Who knows what I would have done in George's position - stay at the club I love, owned by a person I have had a serious fall-out with, or move on to pastures new to get away from said person while abandoning SWFC? Its a tough one. Not going to say I'm not disappointed by his move to Leuven/Leicester because I am - there's no doubting it has happened because of how seriously relations soured. 18 minutes ago, BIG D said: How long do we have to wait? It's been 6 months now. He's still under contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydubz Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Yeah right, I suppose the Belgian second division club have matched his demands. Hes going to Leicester! And they saved on transfer fees! Use your brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, SalisburyOwl said: Kivo you’ve been very selective with your comment there. Yes the counter proposal was rejected. But it was also made clear, according to Mr C, that the Hirst camp was not prepared to enter into negotiations. I wonder what you would do if an employee of yours behaved in that manner. Would you continue to invest time and money in his development knowing that he was going to take those skills to another employer?? I'm pretty sure Hirst was prepared to negotiate. He wanted to play for Sheffield Wednesday. It's important to remember that the fall-out occured when he was frozen out - before that he was very much wanting to follow in his father's footsteps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, KivoOwl said: Who knows what I would have done in George's position - stay at the club I love, owned by a person I have had a serious fall-out with, or move on to pastures new to get away from said person while abandoning SWFC? Its a tough one. Not going to say I'm not disappointed by his move to Leuven/Leicester because I am - there's no doubting it has happened because of how seriously relations soured. He's still under contract I think you'd be a Wednesday player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, James1986 said: Hes going to Leicester! And they saved on transfer fees! Use your brain! 'Use your brain', that's rich. You stated categorically that he wanted £20k a week. Do you think Leicester have given him a 5-year contract on £20k a week, a cost to them of around £6 million because they saved a few hundred grand on transfer fees? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalisburyOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, KivoOwl said: I'm pretty sure Hirst was prepared to negotiate. He wanted to play for Sheffield Wednesday. It's important to remember that the fall-out occured when he was frozen out - before that he was very much wanting to follow in his father's footsteps. He was offered more money than anyone of his age, or importantly experience, at the club. And that was after the initial ‘freezing out’. And he, allegedly, wanted the same as established first team players. Is that the position of someone desperate to stay at the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Why would we give opportunities to a player that wanted away? We did right playing players that actually wanted to be there, it wouldn't have set a good precedent for the rest of the academy would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, BIG D said: I think you'd be a Wednesday player. I'd like to think so. But at 18? With 'advisors' in my ear? It's easy to forget how young he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, KivoOwl said: I'm pretty sure Hirst was prepared to negotiate. He wanted to play for Sheffield Wednesday. It's important to remember that the fall-out occured when he was frozen out - before that he was very much wanting to follow in his father's footsteps. Even if this is the case the final deal as it has worked out is a real kick in the teeth for the fans. That's what sours it for me. Nobody comes out of it looking like they think that above all it's the club that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, SalisburyOwl said: He was offered more money than anyone of his age, or importantly experience, at the club. And that was after the initial ‘freezing out’. And he, allegedly, wanted the same as established first team players. Is that the position of someone desperate to stay at the club? Quite right he was offered more money than anyone his age - he was the standout player of his age group at SWFC. Your second line falls down at 'allegedly'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, rickygoo said: Even if this is the case the final deal as it has worked out is a real kick in the teeth for the fans. That's what sours it for me. Nobody comes out of it looking like they think that above all it's the club that matters. Correct - as I say I am very disappointed by the way this Leuven deal is looking - purely to spite SWFC. But again, this all stems from the freezing out after the initial contract offer was rejected. From that point onwards, no-body was going to do the other party any favours. So, so sad, because George is the best young player I've seen at SWFC in all the years I've been going. To be honest, it put me off going to youth games at the back end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebowl Yell Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 EVERYBODY STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I HAVE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF TO DECIDE WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT TALK ABOUT. JUST STOP STOP IT STOP TYPING FINGERS OFF NOW I CAN SEE YOU NO! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, KivoOwl said: Correct - as I say I am very disappointed by the way this Leuven deal is looking - purely to spite SWFC. And that is what has tainted the memories of a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Flashman Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, KivoOwl said: Who knows what I would have done in George's position - stay at the club I love, owned by a person I have had a serious fall-out with, Fair point Kivo. Mind, have George and Chansiri had a fall out? Chansiri said only 2 months back, despite the lad clearly leaving -: “I respect him (George) because he asked me to play,” said Chansiri. “I’m happy to step back and let him play.” I think it's got to be the advisors where the real fall out is isn't it? Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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