lanzaroteowl Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 hours ago, optimisticowl said: Sorry Ian, but I don’t agree, he would have had far better medical care at Man Utd, plus the England manager usually looks at eligible players from the top clubs, Vardy and the keepers being a refreshing exception. didn't we have Smith who was also the England Physio at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, optimisticowl said: Sorry Ian, but I don’t agree, he would have had far better medical care at Man Utd, plus the England manager usually looks at eligible players from the top clubs, Vardy and the keepers being a refreshing exception. You can't agree yet you cite the medical care as the main reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reallondonowl Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 9 hours ago, theowlsman said: An interesting view OP. Interesting and valid. Youth has always been the future. We have just not focussed on it in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, fudge27 said: You can't agree yet you cite the medical care as the main reason? No I didn’t, it was 50/50, prove different if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, lanzaroteowl said: didn't we have Smith who was also the England Physio at the time? Yes we did.....but let's not let facts like that get in the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 hours ago, optimisticowl said: Sorry Ian, but I don’t agree, he would have had far better medical care at Man Utd, plus the England manager usually looks at eligible players from the top clubs, Vardy and the keepers being a refreshing exception. So what exactly should our, or any medical team, have done that would have stopped him getting a serious injury by Steve Bould going through the back of him....an injury that blighted the rest of his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, room0035 said: Hirst injuries was plain and simple down to us, he was always rushed back too early when not match fit because we the fans loved him. I am sure at the time I read, that we had lined up a Southampton Striker to replace Hirst if he decided to leave for £3.5m - some bloke called Alan Shearer. If Hirst had gone to Man Utd he would have had the careers Shearer had and Shearer would have been Hirst always injured - as you forget he got a lot of injuries in his career at Blackburn and Newcastle but he got proper treatment and not rush back. You're having a laugh right?....so if Hirst had gone to Man United he'd have had the same career as Shearer.....who also didn't go to Man United......how do you work that out. Surely a nearer the mark theory ...although still as stupid....might be that he'd have had the same career as one of Man Uniteds players.......perhaps say Norman Whiteside.....because Man Uniteds medical team were so good and never rushed him back that he played 40 odd games a season well in to his 40's Edited May 25, 2018 by Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimisticowl Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Ian said: So what exactly should our, or any medical team, have done that would have stopped him getting a serious injury by Steve Bould going through the back of him....an injury that blighted the rest of his career? Nothing, however do you actually believe that SWFC’s post injury care was superior to that of Man Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, optimisticowl said: Nothing, however do you actually believe that SWFC’s post injury care was superior to that of Man Utd? I've no reason to believe it was any worse....as I've said, there's examples of Man United players being injured and playing when perhaps they shouldn't. Whiteside, Moses and McGrath to mention but 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ian said: You're having a laugh right?....so if Hirst had gone to Man United he'd have had the same career as Shearer.....who also didn't go to Man United......how do you work that out. Surely a nearer the mark theory ...although still as stupid....might be that he'd have had the same career as one of Man Uniteds players.......perhaps say Norman Whiteside.....because Man Uniteds medical team were so good and never rushed him back that he played 40 odd games a season well in to his 40's They made their England debut together Hirst was rated as the better player, but instead of joining Man Utd stayed with us, when he got injured he got rushed back to often. When Shearer got injured he saw the best specialist and came back when fit. if Hirst had gone to Man Utd for £4m as was the offer we had lined up Shearer as his replacement, at that point in 92/93 we had finish 3rd in the last season before the premiership because the top league and had just got to two cup finals and the next year we were in Europe at that point we were on the rise. what I am saying Hirst leave we treat Shearer the same way as we did Hirst rushing him back too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, room0035 said: They made their England debut together Hirst was rated as the better player, but instead of joining Man Utd stayed with us, when he got injured he got rushed back to often. When Shearer got injured he saw the best specialist and came back when fit. if Hirst had gone to Man Utd for £4m as was the offer we had lined up Shearer as his replacement, at that point in 92/93 we had finish 3rd in the last season before the premiership because the top league and had just got to two cup finals and the next year we were in Europe at that point we were on the rise. what I am saying Hirst leave we treat Shearer the same way as we did Hirst rushing him back too quickly. But you implied that Hirst wouldn't have been rushed back too soon if he'd gone to Man United despite the evidence showing that Man United players of the time had an horrific injury record complete with being rushed back too soon and ending up having to retire in their 20's....not just 1 player, not 2 but many more Why do you think they would have tret Hirst any different to the likes of Moses, Whiteside, McGrath, Bailey, Robson etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, optimisticowl said: No I didn’t, it was 50/50, prove different if you can. Yea, you make ridiculous statements with no foundation and I have to prove it. sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 14 hours ago, markowl said: shotdowninflames shot down in flames You really do need to put the next line to that song in there! Not everyone knows that particular AC/DC song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 10 hours ago, optimisticowl said: Sorry Ian, but I don’t agree, he would have had far better medical care at Man Utd, plus the England manager usually looks at eligible players from the top clubs, Vardy and the keepers being a refreshing exception. England players are usually from the top clubs because they are generally the best players....hence why they are at the top....there's no conspiracy here, move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot down in flames. Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 12 hours ago, Plonk said: It is now! I stand corrected it has become a Hirst thread, just not what either of us thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 16 hours ago, Ian said: But you implied that Hirst wouldn't have been rushed back too soon if he'd gone to Man United despite the evidence showing that Man United players of the time had an horrific injury record complete with being rushed back too soon and ending up having to retire in their 20's....not just 1 player, not 2 but many more Why do you think they would have tret Hirst any different to the likes of Moses, Whiteside, McGrath, Bailey, Robson etc Yes because look at the way they treated Cantona, they guy they got because they could not sign Hirst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 18 hours ago, room0035 said: They made their England debut together Hirst was rated as the better player, but instead of joining Man Utd stayed with us, when he got injured he got rushed back to often. When Shearer got injured he saw the best specialist and came back when fit. if Hirst had gone to Man Utd for £4m as was the offer we had lined up Shearer as his replacement, at that point in 92/93 we had finish 3rd in the last season before the premiership because the top league and had just got to two cup finals and the next year we were in Europe at that point we were on the rise. what I am saying Hirst leave we treat Shearer the same way as we did Hirst rushing him back too quickly. Shearer went to Blackburn in '92. Ferguson tried to sign him from them and went for Hirst after he turned them down. Apart from that you're spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 On 25/05/2018 at 07:31, j17tjp said: Do you think if we’d have won at Wembley & made it into the sacred Prem, our players like Reach, Lee, Lees would be getting England call ups? Dare to dream No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 5 hours ago, room0035 said: Yes because look at the way they treated Cantona, they guy they got because they could not sign Hirst. Oh, ok...that makes complete sense now If Hirst had gone to Man United he wouldn't have got injured or rushed back because they had a player called Cantona who they treated well after he Kung fu kicked a spectator. All makes sense now......I'd go and have a check up if I was you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Sham67 said: Shearer went to Blackburn in '92. Ferguson tried to sign him from them and went for Hirst after he turned them down. Apart from that you're spot on. Exactly - we were never in for Shearer although TF did once say in an interview that he'd love to sign him but we don't have those sort of finances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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