oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Anyone else rather keep Westwood and one of Wildsmith/Dawson and cash in the chips on either Wildsmith or Dawson? My logic is it seems daft having 2 excellent goalkeepers of the same age - one isn’t going to be happy playing second fiddle. Would expect decent bids for the young lads too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lichfield alien said: Why the hell would signing Westwood be a 'gamble' Overall no gamble, but he looked a mess for us last season. Happy to let him go for £1m+ Edited May 18, 2018 by Sergeant Tibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, Swfc1977 said: Heard it was celtic Heard it was Burntisland Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 A goalkeeper can't win games but he can stop you losing. Of all the positions on the pitch the one which has the most impact on results is the keeper. Even a few percentage points in extra ability can influence how a season turns out. A top team always has a strong spine, Keeper, central defender, central midfield and a top scorer. We have already got the top keeper, no point getting rid of him unless we are really seriously skint. If that's the case KW isn't the best option to sell, his wages are decent but not excessive and I can't see us getting much for him. 1 or 2M won't make much difference. If we really are skint, Rhodes would be the best bet for cutting costs, loan him out or sell him for a decent price. (and I'm a fan of Rhodes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Anyone else rather keep Westwood and one of Wildsmith/Dawson and cash in the chips on either Wildsmith or Dawson? No. Both Wildsmith and Dawson should increase in value. The price on Westwood's head will only go one way. Besides, knowing our luck we'd sell the wrong one and watch the other go on to have the better career of the two. My prediction if Westwood were to stay would be... He continues to struggle for fitness. The club continue to pay his (probable hefty) wages, and then we lose him on a free next year. This is our last chance to make a profit on the player, get his wages off the bill, and clear the pathway for our talented young keepers. Neither have his experience or finished learning their trade - but there's only one way they will from this point. They've both shown competence to prove they're ready for greater responsibility moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, wilyfox said: No. Both Wildsmith and Dawson should increase in value. The price on Westwood's head will only go one way. Besides, knowing our luck we'd sell the wrong one and watch the other go on to have the better career of the two. My prediction if Westwood were to stay would be... He continues to struggle for fitness. The club continue to pay his (probable hefty) wages, and then we lose him on a free next year. This is our last chance to make a profit on the player, get his wages off the bill, and clear the pathway for our talented young keepers. Neither have his experience or finished learning their trade - but there's only one way they will from this point. They've both shown competence to prove they're ready for greater responsibility moving forward. I held the same view too, but changed thinking one of Wildsmith/Dawson would see staying here as seriously hampering their career. Sure either wouldn’t complain being behind Westwood for another season, but can’t imagine either would be happy being behind the other. Also, what transfer fee would Westwood bring given his age, recent injury record, and final year of his contract? The third option is to cash in on Westwood, loan one of the young lads out, keep the other as no.1, and bring in a free senior back up... Edited May 18, 2018 by oh_weds_we_love_you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 What's Penguin saying about it? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Gutted - my favourite Wednesday keeper; won us lots of points in the 2 play offs seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: I held the same view too, but changed thinking one of Wildsmith/Dawson would see staying here as seriously hampering their career. Sure either wouldn’t complain being behind Westwood for another season, but can’t imagine either would be happy being behind the other. Also, what transfer fee would Westwood bring given his age, recent injury record, and final year of his contract? The third option is to cash in on Westwood, loan one of the young lads out, keep the other as no.1, and bring in a free senior back up... We've produced sod all young talent in recent years. Palmer has been the best of our youth team dross. Now we're lucky enough to have two really promising young keepers, and people are looking for a negative? I don't understand it. There is always a right time to sell a player. This is Westwood's time, in my opinion. Wildsmith and Dawson look ready to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Totally understandable if Westwood goes this summer. I wouldn't mind it if both Dawson and Wildsmith competed for the number 1 shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: Andy Rhodes looks to have done a phenomenal job over the last few years. You'd like to think he's been consulted on the goalkeeping situation, and whether he feels Wildsmith or Dawson are ready to be a number one for the whole season. It's a big risk if we're serious about challenging (letting a proven, top quality keeper go in favour of relatively inexperienced youngsters) but if Rhodes thinks one of them is ready then fair enough. It's not a case of letting him go because we have two decent back ups though- it's whether either of them is truly ready/good enough for a team supposedly aiming for promotion. There's a big difference between being competent and being outstanding. Westwood has shown he can be outstanding, and you often need an outstanding keeper to get promoted. Exactly this. The 2 young lads are both good prospects and decent keepers in their own right but at this point in time a fit Westwood is head and shoulders above them. I don't think its an exaggeration to say having Westwood between the sticks could be worth 10 points over the course of the season. He could easily be the difference between making or not making the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Would be very disappointed. A class keeper. I think you doubt the news yourself though OP. The “if true” comment kind of gives that away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 The question really is,can we keep three top keepers happy at the same time? The answer is probably no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Someone is gonna gain an amazing keeper. But we need to ease our ffp constraints and he is the best option to sell. I have plenty of faith in our other two. It just makes sense given our predicament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I remember in the early nineties when we had two of the best young centre halves in the country in our reserves They couldn't break into the side because our two regular centre halves were excellent, even though age was catching up on them A manager like Jos would have sold the two aging centre halves and kept the youngsters Our manager at the time was Ron Atkinson, in my opinion the best manager we have had in my 59 years of watching Wednesday, he decided to stick with experience, the two young centre halves left and joined Leeds Leeds were champions of England the following season with the two young centre halves playing regularly Hindsight is a wonderful thing Westwood is a brilliant keeper, probably the best in the division when fit But Wildesmith and Dawson are the future, I hope we don't make the same mistake And I don't think Jos will 3 Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 hours ago, marshy said: big 4, GH Really? 2 hours ago, Groundhopping Owl said: £4/5 million Ha, we’ll do well to get £2m Westwood has been great for us but the timing is right if he goes and I’ll wish him well. Dawson for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield alien Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Why do people keep saying wildsmith and Dawson can only get better?? They could get worse and be worth nowt in a couple er seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lichfield alien said: They could get worse and be worth nowt in a couple er seasons Based on what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield alien Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Ronio said: Based on what exactly? Based on the same assumption 'they can only get better'..nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Lichfield alien said: Based on the same assumption 'they can only get better'..nobody knows. So from what you have seen of Wildsmith or Dawson, is there nothing there that suggests both will improve in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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