Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 All the debate about Atdhe and whether or not the criticism he's had will convince him to go reminds me of an incident many years ago; Back in the post Wilko days I had a season ticket by the dug outs within earshot of the bench. One game a promising young winger by the name of Des Hazel was introduced from the bench, much to our pleasure - we like to see the young 'uns making progress don't we? The lad started energetically but made mistakes. The crowd encouraged him, sensing his nervousness. Alas, the coach at the time, one Mick Hennigan had less patience with young Des, shouting abuse rather than encouragement. The lad's head visibly dropped. He ended up playing a lot of games for Rotherham... My point is; destructive criticism doesn't help: constructive criticism does. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Thanks Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, bladeshater said: Thanks Neil Neil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Flump Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Things which are red are more red than things that aren’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Des Hazel ....used to fly down the wing outpacing everyone..then cross it into the Kop.....Theres a reason beyond "Destructive criticism" that he ended up at Rotherham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, asteener1867 said: Des Hazel ....used to fly down the wing outpacing everyone..then cross it into the Kop.....Theres a reason beyond "Destructive criticism" that he ended up at Rotherham I realise that but sticking to my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Encouragement is the best way to get people to improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 You could apply that to others. Ian Nolan was one in particular I recall who got unfair criticism. Andy Booth too. Andy Sinton - if I sat for 10 minutes to think i'm sure I could come up with easily 2 first team 11's to play against each other, and i'm not even that old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kermit Flump said: Things which are red are more red than things that aren’t There are red and white things pretending to be blue and white things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 I remember taking my lad to Sunday football in the eighties when the norm was to CRITICISE them from the sidelines. Even they, from 7 or 8 years old, had to suffer discouragement. I was relatively mild dad compared to some fanatics but my son packed in playing at 14 and I wasn't surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, pgmetcalf said: There are red and white things pretending to be blue and white things That's over my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, Treborowl said: I realise that but sticking to my point. The point is Hazel didn't simply get the one chance offa the bench did he..He carried on flying down the wing an' runnin' up the Kop steps...didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: The point is Hazel didn't simply get the one chance offa the bench did he..He carried on flying down the wing an' runnin' up the Kop steps...didn't he? I agree, he wasn't in the end up to the standard which is why he ended up at Rotherham. My point; unreasonable criticism does not help anyone, particularly the recipient, and who knows how he would have developed had the coach been a little more patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, Treborowl said: I agree, he wasn't in the end up to the standard which is why he ended up at Rotherham. My point; unreasonable criticism does not help anyone, particularly the recipient, and who knows how he would have developed had the coach been a little more patient. He went to Grimsby didn't he...did nowt...ploughed about with Rotherham..then what? He really wasn't good enough was he...? One piece of criticism (Rumoured) from a bench is hardly going to be the Be all and end all " of a career... He had great pace, but not a lot else... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: He went to Grimsby didn't he...did nowt...ploughed about with Rotherham..then what? He really wasn't good enough was he...? One piece of criticism (Rumoured) from a bench is hardly going to be the Be all and end all " of a career... He had great pace, but not a lot else... I saw and heard what I did. You don't have to believe me. I don't disagree with your assessment of the player. I was just using him as an example to back up my belief that criticism can destroy. Looks like we don't agree. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 He was rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Treborowl said: I saw and heard what I did. You don't have to believe me. I don't disagree with your assessment of the player. I was just using him as an example to back up my belief that criticism can destroy. Looks like we don't agree. Fair enough. No problem mate..I simply saw him as a player with great pace, but no end product.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Watson said: Encouragement is the best way to get people to improve. Is it different people react in different ways to a kick up the arse or coercing them to perform better! What it boils down to is the manager knowing his players strengths and weaknesses and how to get the best out of them, hence good managers are at a premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawowl Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Treborowl said: All the debate about Atdhe and whether or not the criticism he's had will convince him to go reminds me of an incident many years ago; Back in the post Wilko days I had a season ticket by the dug outs within earshot of the bench. One game a promising young winger by the name of Des Hazel was introduced from the bench, much to our pleasure - we like to see the young 'uns making progress don't we? The lad started energetically but made mistakes. The crowd encouraged him, sensing his nervousness. Alas, the coach at the time, one Mick Hennigan had less patience with young Des, shouting abuse rather than encouragement. The lad's head visibly dropped. He ended up playing a lot of games for Rotherham... My point is; destructive criticism doesn't help: constructive criticism does. Mick Hennigan.... reminds me of going to reserve games as a kid mid 80s with my dad. He just came across as a bully and could imagine it wouldn’t take much for him to fall out with someone . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Franz Carr used to be very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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