airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Lichfield alien said: Maybe Jos can't wait to go back home..wherever that is...I bet he's holed up in an hotel away from friends and family leading a very lonely existence That’ll learn him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: 3 wins in 17 league games is hardly guiding us clear of danger...I think it’s more to do with the fact that the bottom 3/4 have been very very poor and never looked like picking points up. Based on current form and our current points tally we would be in a mess if it was a normal season/scenario. Thankfully we have got away with one. That probably applies to everyone up to qpr. We were in complete free fall for a time but three wins on the bounce have effectively stopped what could’ve become very serious. Had he not done this then yes, it would be ridiculous but that was my fear when we appointed an untried manager at the midway point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Its 4 wins, not 3. P16 W4 D5 L7 F20 A25 Pts 17 under Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Sonny said: Maybe our defenders are just a bit rubbish. We kept clean sheet records 2 seasons on the bounce with Palmer, Hunt, Lees, Pudil and Loovens. I don’t know how, but we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I'm glad he put Moses in defence last night After all it parted like the Red sea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bluesteel said: That probably applies to everyone up to qpr. We were in complete free fall for a time but three wins on the bounce have effectively stopped what could’ve become very serious. Had he not done this then yes, it would be ridiculous but that was my fear when we appointed an untried manager at the midway point. You look at the teams in the top 10 and all of them have English manager with the exception of Fulham and wolves...and let’s face it, with the money spent by wolves I think every manager in this league would have a similar effect. Yes the Fulham scenario is probably down to good management but the the other 8 teams all have English managers. I personally think the foreign manager appointment is a myth!! We need a proven manager who know how to get out of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSheffWeds Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, WayneTheOwl said: So a fan can't have an opinion on the teams manager and if they do, and want him out they are idiots ? Really? I could just say anyone wanting him to stay is an idiot and devoid of any ambition ...... but I won't as every fan has a right to opinion . Everyone is entitled to an opinion. The problem with football fans is they want and demand immediate success and significant improvements. It is unreasonable and just plain stupid to judge him on this season. He inherited a demotivated, mismanaged and severely injured hit group of over paid ageing players that have been in a comfort zone for way too long. Even the best manager in the world would need time to sort out this shambles. Lets at least have the common sense to give the guy a pre season to prepare the squad and if he doesn’t perform next season then he’ll have had a shot at it. Calls for him to go at the end of the season are really just short term misguided classic football fan thinking IMO. Edited April 11, 2018 by RichSheffWeds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: You look at the teams in the top 10 and all of them have English manager with the exception of Fulham and wolves...and let’s face it, with the money spent by wolves I think every manager in this league would have a similar effect. Yes the Fulham scenario is probably down to good management but the the other 8 teams all have English managers. I personally think the foreign manager appointment is a myth!! We need a proven manager who know how to get out of this league. 2 of the 3 who went up last season were managed by foreigners , the 3 that reached the play offs and failed were managed by foreigners and the top 2 this season have foreign managers .......a good manager is a good manager where he comes from is irrelevant . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, torryowl said: 2 of the 3 who went up last season were managed by foreigners , the 3 that reached the play offs and failed were managed by foreigners and the top 2 this season have foreign managers .......a good manager is a good manager where he comes from is irrelevant . You look at the most successful managers in this league and the majority are English/British i.e. Bruce, Warnock, hughton, Duche and Pardew etc... I am not disputing that foreign managers haven’t been successful because they have but more often than not they are a gamble and often a gamble that fails. I think the reasons behind it failing is time that is given but also at this level, the lack of funds most clubs provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owling Wolfe Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: You look at the most successful managers in this league and the majority are English/British i.e. Bruce, Warnock, hughton, Duche and Pardew etc... I am not disputing that foreign managers haven’t been successful because they have but more often than not they are a gamble and often a gamble that fails. I think the reasons behind it failing is time that is given but also at this level, the lack of funds most clubs provide. You have to go down to 7th in the Prem to see a British Manager and the top 2 in the Champ are foreign, apart from that you are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Owling Wolfe said: You have to go down to 7th in the Prem to see a British Manager and the top 2 in the Champ are foreign, apart from that you are right Were not talking PL were talking championship. I am not taking anything away from Nuno at wolves because you still have to do a job but I would have backed most managers in this division to be in a similar position given the funds and players that he’s got...their attacking talent is frightening. The fulham scenario is down to good management and hats off to them, they have some very good players and they haven’t broke the bank in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wednesday_Jack said: You look at the teams in the top 10 and all of them have English manager with the exception of Fulham and wolves...and let’s face it, with the money spent by wolves I think every manager in this league would have a similar effect. Yes the Fulham scenario is probably down to good management but the the other 8 teams all have English managers. I personally think the foreign manager appointment is a myth!! We need a proven manager who know how to get out of this league. I’d be up for that, but foreign managers have had plenty of success too. I’m just not sure we have seen anything to suggest our current one is our best option. Also, for the sake of balance I just think it’s unfair to dismiss the wins he’s got for us under difficult circumstances as some are. I think we could benefit from getting someone the fans can relate to. Even a foreign manager in Carlos managed that. Edited April 11, 2018 by Bluesteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Wednesday are stopping up fairly comfortably which is about most expected this season when he was appointed. But he leaves me cold as manager. Don't think he will provide any spark next season to mount a top six challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Woodie said: We kept clean sheet records 2 seasons on the bounce with Palmer, Hunt, Lees, Pudil and Loovens. I don’t know how, but we did. We did and both wer fantastic achievements but Loovens was quality and brought the best out of Lee. Pudil was younger and playing in his actual position instead of us having an practically untested youngster there. We also had Westwood in the form of his career. Compare that to last night. It’s dreadful really. We need two new fullbacks and (unless VA can step up) a new centre back or two. Jos may have a reputation for being defensively solid but you need the right tools and not last nights rabble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlstastic Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Woodie said: We kept clean sheet records 2 seasons on the bounce with Palmer, Hunt, Lees, Pudil and Loovens. I don’t know how, but we did. Westwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, coopswfc76 said: @ramone moan moan flipping moan 10goals in last 5 games no attacking intent WTF do you want, Played Fessi, Joao and Adthe tonight. Would Ossie Ardiles be attacking enough for you? Happy with 4 wins since he's joined are you? Happy being 3-0 within 15 minutes against a poor QPR team are you? I'm certainly not. Get him gone. Get Mick in. Job done Edited April 11, 2018 by ramone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 hours ago, kingsidney said: You’d be blubbing like a little girl if someone had said that about Carlos. Speaking the truth. The truth is, Carlos took us to 6th and 4th in the division. Jos wont get us anywhere near that. Big Mick needs to come in and rescue us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 10 hours ago, sheffield_dave said: I mean.. We are 17th, still not mathematically safe with 4 games to spare and our form under his tenure has still been a horror show. I think you're giving him a great deal of credit by suggesting he's "guided us away" from anything. Id say its more that we've fell over the line thanks to Nuhiu suddenly turning into a footballer and a brief Bannan cameo. We're only safe because we're lucky there's a few teams worse than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 27 minutes ago, ramone said: We're only safe because we're lucky there's a few teams worse than us. That’s just how a league works though. We’re only not champions because everyone above was better. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treborowl Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 10 hours ago, M Royds said: Word before was that Jos likes his defences tight. Would keep things tight at the back. The eveidence points to the complete opposite. We are leaking goals easily and can get overwhelmed, even with injuries slowly clearing up. I know building a team is a long process but a manger, whose reputation is on solid defending and keeping the opposition in check, it doesn’t seem to be turning out that way. Is Jos able to cut the mustard in the cut and thrust of English football? Certainly worthy of debate; I haven't made my mind up yet as we're only 2 points from mathematical safety. we were in free-fall before he arrived and he's settled things down with less than the best squad. However, I'm now asking myself whether we need new tactics or new defenders.Maybe it's a knee-jerk reaction. Dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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