oldishowl Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: The OP makes some good points. Now Lee is a good footballer but nowhere near as good as some think he is. He isn't box to box, he doesn't spray the box across the pitch, he isn't commanding in the air, doesn't have that change of pace and makes poor decisions with the goal at his mercy. He has played many a good game for Wednesday but equally has had some stinkers that see him hiding in games. Perhaps I don’t understand your definition of box to box but I can’t imagine anybody getting around the pitch more. Prior to his injury he regularly topped the stats in the championship for ground covered and interceptions and was close on tackles. He is a fantastic reader of the game, when covering for others who have gone forward Add to that his finishing in front of goal which is very calm and accurate. He doesn’t like to shoot with his left foot, I wouldn’t call that bad decision making, he has scored some fantastic and important goals for us. His passing is simple, I don’t mind if he doesn’t ping it 40 yds and give it away. His weakness is that he has not got the personality to take the game by the scruff of the neck , he tends to react to others doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 55 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: The OP makes some good points. Now Lee is a good footballer but nowhere near as good as some think he is. He isn't box to box, he doesn't spray the box across the pitch, he isn't commanding in the air, doesn't have that change of pace and makes poor decisions with the goal at his mercy. He has played many a good game for Wednesday but equally has had some stinkers that see him hiding in games. You've had a good run of posts up to now... this is why we negs back. WTF!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian joicey Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Costello 77 said: You've had a good run of posts up to now... this is why we negs back. WTF!? He’s spot on in my opinion,lee is a neat n tidy player but not messi and certainly wouldn’t have took the game by the scruff of the neck playing with butterfield,Jones and pelupessy in midfield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm an Essex Owl Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 12 hours ago, EBRAwe'rebarmy said: When Kieran Lee was playing, he never attracted the type of posts criticising his performance that we see for our other midfielders, especially Adam Reach. Even now, we still see lots of posts lamenting his absence. It seems the longer he’s out, the better he was. All this, despite the fact that he isn’t from Oldham; he’s a bit lightweight; his touch isn’t that golden; he gets caught in possession too often; he can’t do anything; and he gives the ball away a lot with poor passes. What is it? Is it because he run around lot? Hate to cast aspersions (and also to break the cardinal rule of attacking the post not the poster) but did you post this because your lad broke his leg at Burton? This is such a wicked fish that it has the distinct aroma of pork about it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky16 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I have never heard such rubbish in my life. Kieran Lee has more of a football brain than any other player at the club. The only player anywhere near him is Gary Hooper. To suggest he has no change of pace must mean a Specsaves visit. His positional lay, use of the ball, goal assists etc are second to none. I would say he is one of the top 3 players in the championship. I only hope that his hip problem can be sorted & he will return 100% next season. If not then serious questions have to be asked about his too early return to the team. Does this not itself tell these idiots that do not appreciate him how valuable his contribution to the team is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Towards the end of last season we were limping along wondering if we would make the play offs. We then saw a few injuries to certain players forcing Carvalhals hand into playing what he had left. Remarkably this saw an upturn in results seeing us breeze into the play offs without the likes of Lee. Come the play offs and Lee was back in the side which crashed out admittedly not just down to Lee. I have been critical of Lee and Bannan on here with regards to them being able to get a Championship team promoted but going into the derby I thought now is your chance to make me eat my words and show us what you can do. Where was Lee in that game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 13 hours ago, EBRAwe'rebarmy said: When Kieran Lee was playing, he never attracted the type of posts criticising his performance that we see for our other midfielders, especially Adam Reach. Even now, we still see lots of posts lamenting his absence. It seems the longer he’s out, the better he was. All this, despite the fact that he isn’t from Oldham; he’s a bit lightweight; his touch isn’t that golden; he gets caught in possession too often; he can’t do anything; and he gives the ball away a lot with poor passes. What is it? Is it because he run around lot? Bring the negs button back PLEASE!!! Next thing will be the OP thinks we should sign Buttercup to a 3 year contract! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencerowl Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Kagoshimaowl said: Bring the negs button back PLEASE!!! Next thing will be the OP thinks we should sign Buttercup to a 3 year contract! I heard we have. 4 years actually, 50k per week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 9 hours ago, brian joicey said: He’s spot on in my opinion,lee is a neat n tidy player but not messi and certainly wouldn’t have took the game by the scruff of the neck playing with butterfield,Jones and pelupessy in midfield! Who mentioned Messi? Why should Lee be blamed for the midfield we've got? He hasn't signed em. Btw ... your chum has been knocking KL for a long time...wether he's playing well or not. WTF!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLS about that? Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 22 hours ago, EBRAwe'rebarmy said: When Kieran Lee was playing, he never attracted the type of posts criticising his performance that we see for our other midfielders, especially Adam Reach. Even now, we still see lots of posts lamenting his absence. It seems the longer he’s out, the better he was. All this, despite the fact that he isn’t from Oldham; he’s a bit lightweight; his touch isn’t that golden; he gets caught in possession too often; he can’t do anything; and he gives the ball away a lot with poor passes. What is it? Is it because he run around lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Who mentioned Messi? Why should Lee be blamed for the midfield we've got? He hasn't signed em. Btw ... your chum has been knocking KL for a long time...wether he's playing well or not. WTF!? Jealousy mate.. he has pure jealousy... It's because KL is in possession of that halo every one wants That "Hubcapped diamond star"variety Get it on Brian Bang a gong Get it on WTF !!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannofan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Lee is a premiership quality player, him and Forestieri are our best players. He played for, and scored, for Manchester United in Europe. Only homesickness meant he chose to play for Oldham, where we were lucky enough to pick him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Ronnie Starling said: Towards the end of last season we were limping along wondering if we would make the play offs. We then saw a few injuries to certain players forcing Carvalhals hand into playing what he had left. Remarkably this saw an upturn in results seeing us breeze into the play offs without the likes of Lee. Come the play offs and Lee was back in the side which crashed out admittedly not just down to Lee. I have been critical of Lee and Bannan on here with regards to them being able to get a Championship team promoted but going into the derby I thought now is your chance to make me eat my words and show us what you can do. Where was Lee in that game? I have also been critical of Lee and Bannan getting us promoted as a two man central midfield. That was the fault of our previous manager and his bizarre system. Your memory is tricking you. Lee coming back was key to us getting into the playoffs. Infact he scored the winning goal at Ipswich which clinched the playoff spot. He obviously wasn’t fit but Carlos still played him in the playoffs, a stupid decision which cost us dearly but appears to have cost Lee even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, oldishowl said: I have also been critical of Lee and Bannan getting us promoted as a two man central midfield. That was the fault of our previous manager and his bizarre system. Your memory is tricking you. Lee coming back was key to us getting into the playoffs. Infact he scored the winning goal at Ipswich which clinched the playoff spot. He obviously wasn’t fit but Carlos still played him in the playoffs, a stupid decision which cost us dearly but appears to have cost Lee even more. I would say the 33 points from the previous 18 games up to the Derby home game were key to us getting into the play offs not just the one game at Ipswich. Lee came off at half time on the 2nd January and wasn't seen again until the Derby game when he was substituted early in the second half after a rusty performance with us being 1-0 down. We then went onto win that game and then the next against Ipswich which Lee scored in. He didn't perform in the play offs which was either down to him not being fully fit and therefore an idiotic decision of Carvalhal or he was fit and played poorly. I have not said he is a poor player, far from it but he isn't as good as many make out on this forum and for all his good performances there are many where he goes unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Probably our best player taking into account attitude and commitment. Injuries have become a concern. Thanks Carlos. Fingers crossed he's back as good as ever next season. Op doesn't seem to understand football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBRAwe'rebarmy Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Bannofan said: He played for, and scored, for Manchester United in Europe. Only homesickness meant he chose to play for Oldham, where we were lucky enough to pick him up. Brilliant mate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lomas613 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The fact this post has openly deliberately decided to criticise a player that can not defend him self shocks me. Seriously can I have some of what this guys smoking bloody looney we’ve got here. LEE was our engine in midfield he ran himself into the ground for his shirt and one of a select few that deserve to wear our colours. He’s a damn sight better than semedo who was sainted at this club. We’ve not had a Kieran Lee day or owt?? Not to my knowledge anyway. This lad is a rising star in our team if he manageability to get his hip sorted and I cannot wait for his return he’s the forgotten man at the moment and he’ll be like a new signing for us next season I cannot wait!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian joicey Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Jealousy mate.. he has pure jealousy... It's because KL is in possession of that halo every one wants That "Hubcapped diamond star"variety Get it on Brian Bang a gong Get it on WTF !!!! quoting the words of my favourite ever artiste..... like it,like it !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: I would say the 33 points from the previous 18 games up to the Derby home game were key to us getting into the play offs not just the one game at Ipswich. Lee came off at half time on the 2nd January and wasn't seen again until the Derby game when he was substituted early in the second half after a rusty performance with us being 1-0 down. We then went onto win that game and then the next against Ipswich which Lee scored in. He didn't perform in the play offs which was either down to him not being fully fit and therefore an idiotic decision of Carvalhal or he was fit and played poorly. I have not said he is a poor player, far from it but he isn't as good as many make out on this forum and for all his good performances there are many where he goes unnoticed. We just disagree on the strengths and weaknesses of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Lee is excellent at this level whenfit, by far and away best midfield player we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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