Holmowl Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) Reality check. Here’s how many games our “crocks” have played in the last 3 seasons:- Fletch 97 Forestieri 83 Hooper 75 Hutch 75 Fletcher in particular gets a raw deal from posters. The way he battles and batters it’s hardly surprising he gets hurt. Moreover, unlike many a modern player, including some of our own I’m sure, he plays thru pain and heavy knocks. Forestieri gets off unscathed on here. Despite only having one season in his career where he has been a regular few ever mention his availibility record. All four of these very good players have their issues, but why Fletch is written-off I don’t get. Each needs infinitely better management than they got here over the past two seasons. Edited April 4, 2018 by Holmowl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 03/04/2018 at 09:02, james o connor said: Agreed but that is football manager stuff. In reality who in their right mind is going to want to take on abdi , Matias , fletcher etc where their injury records ? Sheffield Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dukeries Owl Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 If we are worried I've heard this morning that Southampton's wage bill this season is £108 million. Good luck with that in the Championship next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, AndersonOWL said: Id keep fletcher from the list and rest can go, tbh sick of all the wage parasites in our team Of which Fletcher is probably the biggest one Absolutely no chance of getting rid, because he won't get an offer bigger than what he's currently got anywhere else We're stuck with him for another two years You can probably tell he's not my favourite player Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 03/04/2018 at 06:59, Nath83 said: Probably still too early to be thinking about the end of season changes needed, but couldn’t help myself now I'm sure we're safe. I reckon we should move out 10 players: Palmer Loovens Fox Butterfield Jones Wallace Abdi Matias Rhodes Fletcher In return, I think we need to sign 6: RB, CB, 2 x LB, a beast in CM & a creative CM. how many of those are at the end of their contracts? how many would be looking at a move that would pay them less IF they left hillsborough? who is going to pay fletcher and rhodes what they're getting here? it's not championship manager you know, you can't just will something, and it happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 03/04/2018 at 09:05, matthefish2002 said: To get some players like Abdi, Matias and Fletcher off the wage bill we will have to be a bit creative. Have to offer them a generous golden handshake to go or offer to pay wages for another club to take them on loan with a view to a full transfer. Even then its doubtful we will be able to shift them. Depending on FFP (or whatever they call it) we might have to sacrifice a player to bring someone in. whose paying the 'golden handshakes'? whatever the club has to fork out is money it cannot spend re-ffp, or the chairman's pockets. we'd have to sell a BIG player to pay off the 'golden handshakes', then another IF we wanted to bring someone in. so who can we get money on? ff, reach, bannan? perhaps westwood, hooper? we're very unlikely to get big money for players that haven't played for half a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, dnhc said: whose paying the 'golden handshakes'? whatever the club has to fork out is money it cannot spend re-ffp, or the chairman's pockets. we'd have to sell a BIG player to pay off the 'golden handshakes', then another IF we wanted to bring someone in. so who can we get money on? ff, reach, bannan? perhaps westwood, hooper? we're very unlikely to get big money for players that haven't played for half a season. There is one club that pays out big fees for players even when they've been out of the first team for a while Oh hang on, that's us. Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Fans get too attached to players. If possible, and it’s obviously not, I’d clear the vast majority out. Fail to see how a squad that has failed 3 times, and is now older and more suceptable to injuries, will improve, and get over the line next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, dnhc said: whose paying the 'golden handshakes'? whatever the club has to fork out is money it cannot spend re-ffp, or the chairman's pockets. we'd have to sell a BIG player to pay off the 'golden handshakes', then another IF we wanted to bring someone in. so who can we get money on? ff, reach, bannan? perhaps westwood, hooper? we're very unlikely to get big money for players that haven't played for half a season. Think the Golden handshakes will have to be something like paying Fletcher 50% of his contract just to go. You are right far from ideal but might be a way to release some funds to buy some younger and hungrier players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hooper Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Interesting thinking about which players other teams would actually want. Fletcher - I wouldn't mind keeping him as a backup striker, he causes problems. But agreed, if we did sell him, it wouldn't be the worst decision in the world. Who would buy him? - I reckon a team like Rangers would give you 1/2 million for him and could afford his wages. Matias - Fed up of him giving us hope with his cameo appearances only to injure himself again and not play for another 3 months. Who would buy him? - We probably wouldn't get an awful lot for him and I can imagine him going back to Portugal for the warm weather. I would imagine it'll be an 'undisclosed' fee. (in other words 100k) Palmer - Hasn't been good enough for years, Hunt is miles better. AND although i'm a fan of Hunt, I would imagine we'll be looking for a new first choice right back in the summer, so bye bye Palmer. Who would buy him? - His level is League 1 and he's still got a number of years ahead of him, so any League 1 team wanting to challenge for the play offs. Fox - He frustrates me so much, he quite simply doesn't have the skills we need for a left back. No pace, no fight. But I can see Jos keeping him as a backup. Who would buy him? - Again a league 1 club. Abdi - Same as Matias, get him out of the club. Stealing a wage. Who would buy him? - Hopefully a club from China or the MLS, they'll pay his big wages. Rhodes - Time to admit it's not going to work for him, and luckily because of his record another Championship club would still pay money for him. Who would buy him? - Ipswich, go back to his first team and finish his career there. We'd get 3/4 million for him. Loovens & Wallace - IF we manage to get rid of the all the above, I'd keep these 2 as backups, just so were not breaking up the team completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: There is one club that pays out big fees for players even when they've been out of the first team for a while Oh hang on, that's us. could WE buy them off ourselves for a huge fee, whilst signing them on a low wage? quick someone nip out and buy a championship manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I'd keep Palmer from that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Think the Golden handshakes will have to be something like paying Fletcher 50% of his contract just to go. You are right far from ideal but might be a way to release some funds to buy some younger and hungrier players. is that just over £2m for fletcher's wage alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 IF you'd have run this thread 2 months ago one name that would have been on it for certain is NUHIU. please list name below any liars posters who wouldn't have listed nuhiu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mr Hooper said: Interesting thinking about which players other teams would actually want. Fletcher - I wouldn't mind keeping him as a backup striker, he causes problems. But agreed, if we did sell him, it wouldn't be the worst decision in the world. Who would buy him? - I reckon a team like Rangers would give you 1/2 million for him and could afford his wages. Matias - Fed up of him giving us hope with his cameo appearances only to injure himself again and not play for another 3 months. Who would buy him? - We probably wouldn't get an awful lot for him and I can imagine him going back to Portugal for the warm weather. I would imagine it'll be an 'undisclosed' fee. (in other words 100k) Palmer - Hasn't been good enough for years, Hunt is miles better. AND although i'm a fan of Hunt, I would imagine we'll be looking for a new first choice right back in the summer, so bye bye Palmer. Who would buy him? - His level is League 1 and he's still got a number of years ahead of him, so any League 1 team wanting to challenge for the play offs. Fox - He frustrates me so much, he quite simply doesn't have the skills we need for a left back. No pace, no fight. But I can see Jos keeping him as a backup. Who would buy him? - Again a league 1 club. Abdi - Same as Matias, get him out of the club. Stealing a wage. Who would buy him? - Hopefully a club from China or the MLS, they'll pay his big wages. Rhodes - Time to admit it's not going to work for him, and luckily because of his record another Championship club would still pay money for him. Who would buy him? - Ipswich, go back to his first team and finish his career there. We'd get 3/4 million for him. Loovens & Wallace - IF we manage to get rid of the all the above, I'd keep these 2 as backups, just so were not breaking up the team completely. Rangers are skint, we're stuck with Fletcher till his contract runs out No one will pay Matias' wages never mind a fee, we're stuck with him til his contract runs out Palmer won't get a better deal anywhere else, we're stuck with him til his contract runs out Fox won't get a better deal anywhere else, we're stuck with him til his contract runs out Abdi won't get a better deal anywhere else, we're stuck with him until his contract runs out Rhodes is a difficult one, we bought him over a 4 year deal, where we pay Middlesborough 2 million per year, if we sell him, then we have to pay Middlesborough 6 million (the remainder of the fee we owe) But a buying club will want to pay the buying fee over the length of the contract, so for instance, say we sell him for 4 million and he signs a 4 year deal, the buying club will want to spread the fee over 4 years, 1 million a year, but we are then faced with a 6 million bill which becomes payable immediately to Middlesborough, if Rhodes goes anywhere, it will be on loan. Loovens and Wallace will both be released, Loovens has been a good servant but his legs are going, keeping him would be wasting a wage. I like Wallace, but releasing him would free up another wage Of the 4 players coming out of contract, Loovens, Wallace, Pudil and Nuhiu, I think the only one with a chance of staying is Nuhiu. Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl At Risk Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 03/04/2018 at 08:07, BRADDO said: Can't argue with that. Maybe keep Fletcher and release Winnall as I think bridges have been burnt there. Eh? Winnall is one of the few players with any resell value...and probably the only one we'd actually make a good profit on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hooper Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Rangers are skint, we're stuck with Fletcher till his contract runs out No one will pay Matias' wages never mind a fee, we're stuck with him til his contract runs out Palmer won't get a better deal anywhere else, we're stuck with him til his contract runs out Fox won't get a better deal anywhere else, we're stuck with him til his contract runs out Abdi won't get a better deal anywhere else, we're stuck with him until his contract runs out Rhodes is a difficult one, we bought him over a 4 year deal, where we pay Middlesborough 2 million per year, if we sell him, then we have to pay Middlesborough 6 million (the remainder of the fee we owe) But a buying club will want to pay the buying fee over the length of the contract, so for instance, say we sell him for 4 million and he signs a 4 year deal, the buying club will want to spread the fee over 4 years, 1 million a year, but we are then faced with a 6 million bill which becomes payable immediately to Middlesborough, if Rhodes goes anywhere, it will be on loan. Loovens and Wallace will both be released, Loovens has been a good servant but his legs are going, keeping him would be wasting a wage. I like Wallace, but releasing him would free up another wage Of the 4 players coming out of contract, Loovens, Wallace, Pudil and Nuhiu, I think the only one with a chance of staying is Nuhiu. But that is assuming none of them want to take a wage cut and play football elsewhere? and also assuming how much they're actually on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Of which Fletcher is probably the biggest one Absolutely no chance of getting rid, because he won't get an offer bigger than what he's currently got anywhere else We're stuck with him for another two years You can probably tell he's not my favourite player Thought it was a "wow" signing at the time tho yeh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Mr Hooper said: But that is assuming none of them want to take a wage cut and play football elsewhere? and also assuming how much they're actually on. Would you go to a new job on less money? Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Thought it was a "wow" signing at the time tho yeh? Yeah, until I actually saw him play, has he got a twin? Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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