Guest Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 * DISCLAIMER * I do not intend this post to speak for all fans, nor a majority of fans, nor a minority of fans. This is my own opinion, as per the intention of the Owlstalk forum. Please feel free to disagree with my opinion and offer a counter position, please do so without sinking to a personal level. Right, with that out of the way... Injuries I simply don’t buy into this weird belief that all our injured players are faking it, nor the other theory that the club have banned them due to wanting to avoid clauses in player contracts. There may be a slight bit of truth in it, sure. I could see a situation where one or two players are subject to such an underhand scenario, at a push. But any player being held back from playing to avoid payment of monies owed would surely not be happy, all they would have to do is get their agent to leak that information to the PFA or media and the club would be left in serious bother whilst the player clears their “injury prone” label and comes out squarely clean. 15 or 16 such players over the season? Sorry, but no. In the Premier League the injury cost to clubs is calculated each season and has been for some time, the general consensus is that the number of injuries per season clubs in the top flight are suffering is on the rise, as is the cost to insure them as a result. There is no logical reason why this wouldn’t be the case in any other division, if anything the lack of as good fitness and medical staff and facilities lower down the leagues supports the idea that it would be equally as bad. A couple of years ago the JLT prediction was that a club would suffer on average 37 injuries over a season, a mix of long and short term. The 2016/17 season saw West Ham and Sunderland suffer horrific numbers of injuries, 34 and 32, over the season. So genuinely I really do believe that we have had THAT bad a season in terms of injuries. We obviously need to look into what caused this including a review of: Poor training facilities? Poor medical facilities? Our players being bought with known injury risks? Our pitches at both venues? A need for better staff? Poor management of players by the club? I still don’t think the club could do much more in terms of communicating injury updates, they seem fairly regular occurrences and are easily accessible via the internet. I know some fans want exact injury diagnosis and exact date of return being given by the club but that simply isn’t realistic. FFP The Chairman made absolutely no secret that he planned on throwing money at the club to get us up. He has done EXACTLY what he said he would do, including paying a record fee to bring THE best striker on paper we could get, a player most of us were desperate for us to buy and to a poster celebrated his arrival. Can the Chairman be blamed for poor form of these players? Or is it the managers/coaches fault? Or the players? Out of all of those I genuinely think the Chairman deserves least blame for form. However, he does need to accept that we appear to have recruited the wrong players, old players on huge wages, injury plagued players and so on. There has been much discussion over who advised the Chairman and/or who has influenced our transfer and contract policy. I think we now need the Chairman to make root and branch changes at this level, get people around him who work for the club, not for or with any agent and someone with a proven track record in this. Can I see the story behind this ever being given in full? No. Though hopefully when Hirst does leave (and I think he will) there may be at least a thin explanation of some of the goings on... Manager It now seems everyone wanted Carlos out after the playoff defeat to Huddersfield, because hindsight works like that. In reality I think there is something for the Chairman to answer to the fans over the way in which Carlos appears to have been appointed by Swansea, and left us. Even if you wanted Carlos gone there is something there to be talked about. Being realistic the track record of Jos is as fine as anyone in Germany but his style of play isn’t going to gel over the back end of the season while players are crocked. This is impacting on the team performance, in my opinion. We have a choice of being patient and seeing our the season and going again from scratch next season with Jos or seeing the season out and immediately appointing someone new. Cutting Jos now wouldn’t be free, it would cost us when we have little money to waste and there wouldn’t likely be enough time for even the most well meaning ‘British’ manager to come in and make huge transformations to our form. Do I think the Chairman owes us some explanation over the appointment of Jos? No, not really, most on here welcomed his appointment at the time, even if they won’t honestly admit it now they want his head. Sometimes managers just don’t work, it’s how it goes. Other All the rest of it, the stripes, the missing 150th showpiece game, the cakeball... show me that we need to look at our staffing at the club, partly, but that the Chairman is open to much valid criticism on many counts here. No doubt. Hopefully someone at the meeting tomorrow will ask some calm, rational, well thought out questions to all of the above. No doubt this won’t really happen. All that said, I hope we give Mr Dejphon Chansiri (did I spell it right?) a bit of patience and curtesy in how we go about seeking answers. I hope (honestly) he doesn’t leave, I’d rather he fix these issues and pulls us all together learns from some pretty harsh lessons. Do people really want him to go, genuinely? Have I misjudged feeling so badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Will69 said: * DISCLAIMER * I do not intend this post to speak for all fans, nor a majority of fans, nor a minority of fans. This is my own opinion, as per the intention of the Owlstalk forum. Please feel free to disagree with my opinion and offer a counter position, please do so without sinking to a personal level. Right, with that out of the way... Injuries I simply don’t buy into this weird belief that all our injured players are faking it, nor the other theory that the club have banned them due to wanting to avoid clauses in player contracts. There may be a slight bit of truth in it, sure. I could see a situation where one or two players are subject to such an underhand scenario, at a push. But any player being held back from playing to avoid payment of monies owed would surely not be happy, all they would have to do is get their agent to leak that information to the PFA or media and the club would be left in serious bother whilst the player clears their “injury prone” label and comes out squarely clean. 15 or 16 such players over the season? Sorry, but no. In the Premier League the injury cost to clubs is calculated each season and has been for some time, the general consensus is that the number of injuries per season clubs in the top flight are suffering is on the rise, as is the cost to insure them as a result. There is no logical reason why this wouldn’t be the case in any other division, if anything the lack of as good fitness and medical staff and facilities lower down the leagues supports the idea that it would be equally as bad. A couple of years ago the JLT prediction was that a club would suffer on average 37 injuries over a season, a mix of long and short term. The 2016/17 season saw West Ham and Sunderland suffer horrific numbers of injuries, 34 and 32, over the season. So genuinely I really do believe that we have had THAT bad a season in terms of injuries. We obviously need to look into what caused this including a review of: Poor training facilities? Poor medical facilities? Our players being bought with known injury risks? Our pitches at both venues? A need for better staff? Poor management of players by the club? I still don’t think the club could do much more in terms of communicating injury updates, they seem fairly regular occurrences and are easily accessible via the internet. I know some fans want exact injury diagnosis and exact date of return being given by the club but that simply isn’t realistic. FFP The Chairman made absolutely no secret that he planned on throwing money at the club to get us up. He has done EXACTLY what he said he would do, including paying a record fee to bring THE best striker on paper we could get, a player most of us were desperate for us to buy and to a poster celebrated his arrival. Can the Chairman be blamed for poor form of these players? Or is it the managers/coaches fault? Or the players? Out of all of those I genuinely think the Chairman deserves least blame for form. However, he does need to accept that we appear to have recruited the wrong players, old players on huge wages, injury plagued players and so on. There has been much discussion over who advised the Chairman and/or who has influenced our transfer and contract policy. I think we now need the Chairman to make root and branch changes at this level, get people around him who work for the club, not for or with any agent and someone with a proven track record in this. Can I see the story behind this ever being given in full? No. Though hopefully when Hirst does leave (and I think he will) there may be at least a thin explanation of some of the goings on... Manager It now seems everyone wanted Carlos out after the playoff defeat to Huddersfield, because hindsight works like that. In reality I think there is something for the Chairman to answer to the fans over the way in which Carlos appears to have been appointed by Swansea, and left us. Even if you wanted Carlos gone there is something there to be talked about. Being realistic the track record of Jos is as fine as anyone in Germany but his style of play isn’t going to gel over the back end of the season while players are crocked. This is impacting on the team performance, in my opinion. We have a choice of being patient and seeing our the season and going again from scratch next season with Jos or seeing the season out and immediately appointing someone new. Cutting Jos now wouldn’t be free, it would cost us when we have little money to waste and there wouldn’t likely be enough time for even the most well meaning ‘British’ manager to come in and make huge transformations to our form. Do I think the Chairman owes us some explanation over the appointment of Jos? No, not really, most on here welcomed his appointment at the time, even if they won’t honestly admit it now they want his head. Sometimes managers just don’t work, it’s how it goes. Other All the rest of it, the stripes, the missing 150th showpiece game, the cakeball... show me that we need to look at our staffing at the club, partly, but that the Chairman is open to much valid criticism on many counts here. No doubt. Hopefully someone at the meeting tomorrow will ask some calm, rational, well thought out questions to all of the above. No doubt this won’t really happen. All that said, I hope we give Mr Dejphon Chansiri (did I spell it right?) a bit of patience and curtesy in how we go about seeking answers. I hope (honestly) he doesn’t leave, I’d rather he fix these issues and pulls us all together learns from some pretty harsh lessons. Do people really want him to go, genuinely? Have I misjudged feeling so badly? The most likely part of your well reasoned summary highlighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch's biscuit knee Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I started getting bored on the 2nd line so sacked it off (no offence). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hutch's biscuit knee said: I started getting bored on the 2nd line so sacked it off (no offence). None taken. Your opinion is valid, the forum is for all people of all intellectual ability and all education level. All views are welcomed. There are loads of really short threads in matchday you may enjoy, have a browse. Welcome to Owlstalk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 If you really want to strike a chord with fans on a forum you must learn to do it in 5 words or less. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch's biscuit knee Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, Will69 said: None taken. Your opinion is valid, the forum is for all people of all intellectual ability and all education level. All views are welcomed. There are loads of really short threads in matchday you may enjoy, have a browse. Welcome to Owlstalk! Sorry I only got to the 3rd word in that reply 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Our humour is unbreakable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsterstone Owl Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 BBC on 98 appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyto Alba Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 At least we can still laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Morepork said: If you really want to strike a chord with fans on a forum you must learn to do it in 5 words or less. Yes and no long words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsterstone Owl Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 BB. Bloody predicted text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, brazilowl said: Yes and no long words. Two syllable limit!!! Link provided - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/syllable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bolsterstone Owl said: BBC on 98 appearances. 1 minute ago, Bolsterstone Owl said: BB. Bloody predicted text. See, this is what I mean... I can promise you 100% for a fact that Bannan is injured and isn’t being screwed by the club. I have proof, I have Barry Bannan. https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/barry-bannan-addresses-sheffield-wednesday-injury-rumours-in-twitter-argument-with-fan-1-9049897 Google is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Morepork said: Two syllable limit!!! Link provided - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/syllable Cambridge? I'm an Oxford man myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Blades instead of proper studs. I have absolutely no proof what so ever of course But I'm willing to blame them for 99% of modern injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, Will69 said: * DISCLAIMER * I do not intend this post to speak for all fans, nor a majority of fans, nor a minority of fans. This is my own opinion, as per the intention of the Owlstalk forum. Please feel free to disagree with my opinion and offer a counter position, please do so without sinking to a personal level. Right, with that out of the way... Injuries I simply don’t buy into this weird belief that all our injured players are faking it, nor the other theory that the club have banned them due to wanting to avoid clauses in player contracts. There may be a slight bit of truth in it, sure. I could see a situation where one or two players are subject to such an underhand scenario, at a push. But any player being held back from playing to avoid payment of monies owed would surely not be happy, all they would have to do is get their agent to leak that information to the PFA or media and the club would be left in serious bother whilst the player clears their “injury prone” label and comes out squarely clean. 15 or 16 such players over the season? Sorry, but no. In the Premier League the injury cost to clubs is calculated each season and has been for some time, the general consensus is that the number of injuries per season clubs in the top flight are suffering is on the rise, as is the cost to insure them as a result. There is no logical reason why this wouldn’t be the case in any other division, if anything the lack of as good fitness and medical staff and facilities lower down the leagues supports the idea that it would be equally as bad. A couple of years ago the JLT prediction was that a club would suffer on average 37 injuries over a season, a mix of long and short term. The 2016/17 season saw West Ham and Sunderland suffer horrific numbers of injuries, 34 and 32, over the season. So genuinely I really do believe that we have had THAT bad a season in terms of injuries. We obviously need to look into what caused this including a review of: Poor training facilities? Poor medical facilities? Our players being bought with known injury risks? Our pitches at both venues? A need for better staff? Poor management of players by the club? I still don’t think the club could do much more in terms of communicating injury updates, they seem fairly regular occurrences and are easily accessible via the internet. I know some fans want exact injury diagnosis and exact date of return being given by the club but that simply isn’t realistic. FFP The Chairman made absolutely no secret that he planned on throwing money at the club to get us up. He has done EXACTLY what he said he would do, including paying a record fee to bring THE best striker on paper we could get, a player most of us were desperate for us to buy and to a poster celebrated his arrival. Can the Chairman be blamed for poor form of these players? Or is it the managers/coaches fault? Or the players? Out of all of those I genuinely think the Chairman deserves least blame for form. However, he does need to accept that we appear to have recruited the wrong players, old players on huge wages, injury plagued players and so on. There has been much discussion over who advised the Chairman and/or who has influenced our transfer and contract policy. I think we now need the Chairman to make root and branch changes at this level, get people around him who work for the club, not for or with any agent and someone with a proven track record in this. Can I see the story behind this ever being given in full? No. Though hopefully when Hirst does leave (and I think he will) there may be at least a thin explanation of some of the goings on... Manager It now seems everyone wanted Carlos out after the playoff defeat to Huddersfield, because hindsight works like that. In reality I think there is something for the Chairman to answer to the fans over the way in which Carlos appears to have been appointed by Swansea, and left us. Even if you wanted Carlos gone there is something there to be talked about. Being realistic the track record of Jos is as fine as anyone in Germany but his style of play isn’t going to gel over the back end of the season while players are crocked. This is impacting on the team performance, in my opinion. We have a choice of being patient and seeing our the season and going again from scratch next season with Jos or seeing the season out and immediately appointing someone new. Cutting Jos now wouldn’t be free, it would cost us when we have little money to waste and there wouldn’t likely be enough time for even the most well meaning ‘British’ manager to come in and make huge transformations to our form. Do I think the Chairman owes us some explanation over the appointment of Jos? No, not really, most on here welcomed his appointment at the time, even if they won’t honestly admit it now they want his head. Sometimes managers just don’t work, it’s how it goes. Other All the rest of it, the stripes, the missing 150th showpiece game, the cakeball... show me that we need to look at our staffing at the club, partly, but that the Chairman is open to much valid criticism on many counts here. No doubt. Hopefully someone at the meeting tomorrow will ask some calm, rational, well thought out questions to all of the above. No doubt this won’t really happen. All that said, I hope we give Mr Dejphon Chansiri (did I spell it right?) a bit of patience and curtesy in how we go about seeking answers. I hope (honestly) he doesn’t leave, I’d rather he fix these issues and pulls us all together learns from some pretty harsh lessons. Do people really want him to go, genuinely? Have I misjudged feeling so badly? That's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 What a day this has been..... Was going ok till Jos dropped the Hirst bombshell and then Hutch walked off shouting his head off at the fans about not being picked when fit Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said: Cambridge? I'm an Oxford man myself. Then you get yourself a further education credit, no polytechnic riff-raff on here, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: What a day this has been..... Was going ok till Jos dropped the Hirst bombshell and then Hutch walked off shouting his head off at the fans about not being picked when fit Hirst situation will come out in the wesh. Hutch is the actual concern there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: What a day this has been..... Was going ok till Jos dropped the Hirst bombshell and then Hutch walked off shouting his head off at the fans about not being picked when fit Was going ok? It was first thing this morning wasn't it. The only way to have a day going ok before a s**t bomb from the club is to move in the twilight hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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