Luke Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Walt said: Who cares what he's asking for (or not asking for)? Players and clubs haggle over contracts, that's football. Banning a player from playing for us because of this is akin to the sort of behavior you'd get from spoiled little kids when they don't get their own way. It's pathetic. Yeah players who have reasons to justify the wage demands. Dc offered George a record salary ,he (doyen) turned it down, demanded more, dc didn't want to pay the demands, daddy goes on one and starts being abusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, southportdc said: I think he might well go on to be a very good player, but please can we stop using the time he scored a hattrick against Cuba u-20s and a goal against Japan's u-20s who weren't good enough to make the u-20 World Cup squad as some sort of evidence for that? Can only score against what's infront of you. Why do we reserve this attitude of "you've only played youth games so you can't play for the first team" for Hirst? Its insane. We are DESPERATE for players to come in and give us fresh impetus. Clare has come in and given us the only real positive energy in the team right now. Why are we holding Hirst at arms length over this ridiculous flapping about him only having scored at youth level before? This will cost Sheffield Wednesday both in the long and short term. Edited March 8, 2018 by sheffield_dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxine Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Id have thought with the lack of available players atm it would be ideal to see what he can.do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0rtherner Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I mean Clare's refusing to sign a contract but is still in the first team But all the while Clare has remained with the u23's during negotiations and trained there, playing his part of the club as someone under a current contract. The Hirst situation somehow got so out of control he didn't even train/play with the u23's, and I expect he was also under contract with the club and still is. So there might be some sort of disciplinary action in effect towards Hirst; saying something along the lines, ok, it's good that you're back and training/playing with the u23's since you're still under contract, but the club has regulations and since these were broken you're banned from featuring in first team football - which surely must be the carrot for all u23's coming up through the academy. If it's a disciplinary case, they've (the club) got to stick with principles otherwise anyone who breaks a contract whenever they feel like they're not able to negotiate terms, can still just waltz back into the club and make it into both u23 and first team squad with no consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, sheffield_dave said: Can only score against what's infront of you. Why do we reserve this attitude of "you've only played youth games so you can't play for the first team" for Hirst? Its insane. We are DESPERATE for players to come in and give us fresh impetus. Clare has come in and given us the only real positive energy in the team right now. Why are we holding Hirst at arms length over this ridiculous flapping about him only having scored at youth level before? This will cost Sheffield Wednesday both in the long and short term. I very much doubt the club getting relegated or worse depends on hirst signing a deal pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 ...becuase of the situation with his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, southportdc said: I think he might well go on to be a very good player, but please can we stop using the time he scored a hattrick against Cuba u-20s and a goal against Japan's u-20s who weren't good enough to make the u-20 World Cup squad as some sort of evidence for that? Do you know how many goals he scored last season? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, sheffield_dave said: Can only score against what's infront of you. Why do we reserve this attitude of "you've only played youth games so you can't play for the first team" for Hirst? Its insane. I didn't say that. I said his goals against poo junior teams shouldn't be trumpeted just because they were international poo junior teams. His performances in the Wednesday youth teams is far more impressive than bullying Cuba juniors. The highlights seems to have been taken down now, but Cuba were terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, southportdc said: I didn't say that. I said his goals against poo junior teams shouldn't be trumpeted just because they were international poo junior teams. His performances in the Wednesday youth teams is far more impressive than bullying Cuba juniors. The highlights seems to have been taken down now, but Cuba were terrible. So were Ipswich on Tuesday Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: Do you know how many goals he scored last season? flipping loads. Most of them against much better teams than he scored against in Toulon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just missed a penalty. He's crap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Do you know how many goals he scored last season? 40 you've told us enough, but failed to answer how many against championship standard or even mens football in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, steelcityowlsfan said: Just close the academy. Have 2 of our best prospects in years and will see them walk away because we’d rather sign some Doyen 30 plus something ex PL player on 30k a week but can’t run because his legs have gone and zero sell on value. Great business model DC. Not such a daft shout ...... Huddersfield just done exactly that because they’re sick of the “big” clubs poaching all the talent without any intention of developing them. I think you’ll see this happening a lot more in the not too distant future, at the moment the big six or eight clubs have effectively formed a cartel ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 40 minutes ago, Owlsmac said: Chants of we wants George Hirst on Saturday???? I think a chant of ‘Jos needs the discretion to pick the best available players’ might just fall flat. I’m sure someone on here will find a good tune though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Buxtongent said: Another post to be banned . Some eighteen months ago, whilst attending an arranged birthday bash at Hillsborough, we were told by no less a person than the aforementioned Mr.David Hurst, an employee of the club at the time, when his lad would be signing , and were told in no uncertain terms that he would not. This was said to a party of approx 10 of us, and is NOT hearsay. One point that we are all conveniently overlooking is that young Mr. Hurst, impressive though his record is, and I hope will be, is still unproven at Championship level.Everyone looks on him as a saviour. He is still unproven. Completey unproven. However football is now a market. It doesn’t matter how many games you have under your belt. If club x is willing to pay y then you either match it, better it or say thanks but no thank no deal. In this case if Hirst Snr thinks his son would be better off elsewhere then fine. No new contract, off you go. I don’t agree with it at all, nothing worse than millionaire footballers sat in Academies etc but it’s the way it is. Yet to say fine we won’t play you then is not only daft, but playing to the agent’s and players hands. Would we even stand to gain any compensation should Hirst leave? If no then why didn’t we sell him? Bad bit of business all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Never been a massive DC fan, but i'm with him on this one. It seems he's been backed into a corner by 'others' he needs to stand his ground with these types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, welsOwl74 said: Yeah players who have reasons to justify the wage demands. Dc offered George a record salary ,he (doyen) turned it down, demanded more, dc didn't want to pay the demands, daddy goes on one and starts being abusive Opinion and speculation. But just for arguments sake, say everything you say is true. Young Hirst has still done nothing wrong, yet we still banned him from playing for the Under 23's and now the first team. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 If anyone is going to the meeting tomorrow can they ask him why he is doing this so we know all the facts please . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlpets Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 starting to think since some fans asked for refunds chansiri doing his best to wee wee us off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Walt said: Opinion and speculation. But just for arguments sake, say everything you say is true. Young Hirst has still done nothing wrong, yet we still banned him from playing for the Under 23's and now the first team. Pathetic. It's common knowledge released in a club statement. Hirst indeed has done nothing wrong, however his 'agents' have...he could quite easily tell them to fooook off if he wanted...unless he has a binding contract with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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