benni8 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I really dont understand why people keep resetting and going over the same ground after every performance. For clarity - This season is gone. You can not judge someone with so many out. Replacements have fitness and confidence issues. We judge at the start of next season. Anything else is madness or a pure lack of understanding of the mess we have been left with. Its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I think there is a deeper problem than Jos. However I am wondering weather he is the man to solve it long term. Still will back him tho he’s inherented this dross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, cowl said: We're not going to be sacking Luhukay at any time between now and the end of the season, so we may as well just see what kind of football we produce and results we achieve between now and May as the injured players make their way back. There's undoubtedly been some odd and very questionable decisions made though which can't be ignored. Having said that, not once has he been able to pick from a squad that has had anything less than 10 first-team absentees. We also can't ignore that. I think he's also been naive about this league, and recently hinted at this by characterizing it (as though he were surprised) as a league in which any team can beat any other home and away. This perhaps goes someway to explain teams that he's selected that have been more defensive than they seemingly needed to be away from home. You'd like to think this is something that he'll very quickly get to grips with. Personally, I feel the point at which we can really assess whether he's up to the task won't be until he can pick from amongst the likes of Forestieri, Hooper, Bannan, and Lees. I agree, he wont be going anywhere before the last game. I feel for him..the situation when he came in was almost impossible and its not getting any better for him. The reasoning behind my thoughts of, he isn't the man for us are as follows...he needs to pick his best available 11 for every match, identify a way of playing and getting results (ugly or pretty it doesn't bother me) and stick to a winning formula. He said the other that he has to protect players from injury....a player can get injured at any point whether its at home, training or a game, you can't predict it and you cant prevent it, it's the human body. So IMO you play your strongest 11 at all times with a view accumulating points as quickly as you can. No point sitting a match winner on the bench and losing 2-1 and then come out and say he could have got injured. Jos dropped/rotated players against Millwall to try and preserve them for the Villa game...which we were undone by a couple of errors and a very bad referee, his plan back fired. It meant we lost two games in a week when again IMO, we could have taken something out of the Millwall game. Sitting Joao, Nuhiu and Reach on the bench is in the ilk of Wilson sitting Dicanio and Carbone on the bench. The three players on the bench at Millwall are our so called match winners!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, benni8 said: I really dont understand why people keep resetting and going over the same ground after every performance. For clarity - This season is gone. You can not judge someone with so many out. Replacements have fitness and confidence issues. We judge at the start of next season. Anything else is madness or a pure lack of understanding of the mess we have been left with. Its that simple. The season isn't gone, far from...we are in a relegation battle. We are two results of been in the mire!! We have two very big games coming up that will literally make or break this season!! The next 3 games could easily see us in the bottom 3. The Bristol game you would take a point but lets be honest we are expecting a loss...Bolton & Ipswich are huge games, 9 points in a week that could see us right in the mix for the bottom 3. We are not to good/big to go down and people need to realise this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Many of our players are simply not good enough - It's been this way for a while now. Whether JL can motivate them to put everything into each game is a different thing altogether - i imagine many would say Warnock would approach it differently, but I don't think we are that desperate yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: We are talking about managers who are on second/third division managers salaries...not Mourinho, Pochettino or Conte salaries. Compensation packages for these managers would be peanuts relatively speaking and money spent on a good manager is just as well spent as £10m on a striker!! I have longed argued that the money spent on a top manager is the best investment any chairman will ever make. A manager is any chairman's most important appointment. Chansiri, probably due to a combination of extreme naievety coupled with a smidgeon of arrogance/ego, has gone about recruitment in a completely arse about mammary way. Spending gazillions on players and peanuts on managers.... Edited February 28, 2018 by Almat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 hours ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Championship reserve team lose to Premier league team shocker So were sunderland, swansea will be the new sunderland. We were just a bit more shitier than them. I take it you are another one who didn't see the wigan v m.city game. The crappest players in the world can still give it a go....assuming they can be arssed to. Or a manager with bollllox fitted in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 He does have the look of someone who will slip from the memory In future, we’ll be saying “who was that funny little man with the tache who took us into the third” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: So were sunderland, swansea will be the new sunderland. We were just a bit more shitier than them. I take it you are another one who didn't see the wigan v m.city game. The crappest players in the world can still give it a go....assuming they can be arssed to. Or a manager with bollllox fitted in the right place. 15 players unavailable through injury 3 players cup tied He's inherited one mess of a club I'll judge him next season after he's brought his own players in, and he's given them a full pre season I don't give a flap about Sunderland, Swansea, Man City, or Wigan Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anus Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) I had to listen to the bleating Ram's fans at work after their shakey start to the season calling for Gary Rowetts head due to woolly tactics and not knowing his best 11 etc etc Luckily for them, they herd a first team and put together a good run. In 2018, they set about being the master of the draw and rather sheepishly held onto second due to the inconsistency of those around them. Then form catches up, they have a quiet transfer window, and are now blaming Rowett and Mal Morris again as they are now woollied they will miss the playoffs. It's not like they aren't ewes to a post Xmas collapse. They club have priced all tickets for their home game against Cardiff at a tenner a pop! But believe ewe me, some of their fans still think they are being fleeced, as they are lambs to the slaughter. All football fans are fickle, and I'm not sure Jos is the answer to everything. I think it's a bit early to be calling for his head because we've had a couple of 'owlers. I think we'll stop up, as there are worse teams than us. Edited February 28, 2018 by Anus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bulgaria said: No. i dont need to. I see our style with my own eyes and its tedious to say the least, I will give him the Derby match, that was wonderful. I get it, you are happy with what we are seeing, i am far from it, injuries or not. Why does everything have to be black and white? Not everyone who thinks the manager should be given a chance to turn things around is "happy". It's this divisive posting that makes this site so bad lately. It's either post negatively and then "post not poster" whenever anyone pulls the person up, or "happy clapper" if you aren't calling for the manager's head. All this hysteria is a joke. Edited February 28, 2018 by markowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Animis said: Many of our players are simply not good enough - It's been this way for a while now. Whether JL can motivate them to put everything into each game is a different thing altogether - i imagine many would say Warnock would approach it differently, but I don't think we are that desperate yet. sure hope the Mcarthy rumour is true tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 25 minutes ago, markowl said: Why does everything have to be black and white? Not everyone who thinks the manager should be given a chance to turn things around is "happy". It's this divisive posting that makes this site so bad lately. It's either post negatively and then "post not poster" whenever anyone pulls the person up, or "happy clapper" if you aren't calling for the manager's head. All this hysteria is a joke. I think Hysteria is being a little melodramatic. I personally am not saying he shouldn't be given a go, i am just giving my two penneths worth and that is i think he is too negative, its hardly working is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 13 hours ago, danblakemore said: Gonna say it sorry... Weve seen enough to question his tactics. millwall - speaks for itself Birmingham - poor man management Villa - lack of subs when team was clearly tired after 60 mins Tonight - why play Rhodes, he’s not with it for whatever reason. sorry but I’m not feeling it. i'm not too sure about his previous employment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 13 hours ago, RockieOwl said: I'm pissed off. Very pissed off at a poor performance. But blaming jos for this?? No. Person to blame is in the opposition's dugout. The key games are Ipswich and Bolton. If we don't get 4 points from them then I'll worry. Talk of relegation is premature. Give jos a chance. He deserves it with the absolute rubbish Carlos left Carlos left Jos a load of injures. Which have got worse not better. The reason Carlos had his favourites and never played some of these players is clear to see. Although Carlos must shoulder some of the blame I think the problem runs alot deeper than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefdave Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Who is Jo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Must admit I was really annoyed with the millwall game but I feel he needs some senior players back to judge him but Im not liking how negative he seems to be. Personally I dont think he will be with us long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 He’s up against it and has a good record abroad. But he just isn’t very inspiring so far, feel a bit detached from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Bulgaria said: I think Hysteria is being a little melodramatic. I personally am not saying he shouldn't be given a go, i am just giving my two penneths worth and that is i think he is too negative, its hardly working is it? No it's not. But I appreciate we are down to the bare bones squad wise, so I do think there has to be a little leeway given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Who is this Jo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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