David1867 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Was the standard of today's defending down to the referee too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, David1867 said: Was the standard of today's defending down to the referee too? Exactly David. We were poor at the back, we have lots to work on in that respect and whilst the referee had a stinker we need to grow up and recognise that we need to improve. But onwards and upwards! The game against Swansea gives us something to work towards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAnotherShez Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, David1867 said: Was the standard of today's defending down to the referee too? No, but we were HAVING to defend more than we should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, OhForAnotherShez said: No, but we were HAVING to defend more than we should have been. True. We need to work on our containment in midfield too, and having our strikers hold the play up top too. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Defending set pieces has been a problem for over a year and it’s getting worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, David1867 said: Was the standard of today's defending down to the referee too? This ref talk is all nonsense, only ourselves to blame for today - made too many errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I thought the defending in transitions and general play wasn't too bad today to be honest. But we really struggled with Vila's deliveries. Think that was down to two main reasons: 1.) Quality of delivery. Snodgrass in particular put a couple of brilliant balls into the box. Some crosses are extremely difficult to defend. 2.) Wildsmith's reluctance to come and take command aerially. Now, this isn't necessarily knocking Wildsmith per se, because it's an issue that effects the back line also. But, there were balls into the box, which was close to, or curling into towards Wildsmith. If a keeper comes, he's favourite for them. As a result, our back line had to drop to reduce the space, and unfortunately, if you don't win the headers in that region of the pitch, they are more than likely going to score a goal. Boyd didn't do enough to stop Snodgrass or El-Mohammady either today. Too many times they were allowed to create overloads against Fox, and too often they put balls into the box without much pressure. Hunt and Venancio dealt with the threat much better down the right hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, torres said: This ref talk is all nonsense, only ourselves to blame for today - made too many errors Wednesday have got to cut out these defensive lapses and take their chances in front of goal. Can’t blame anyone but ourselves for that. But the officials had a significant influence on that game today to our detriment, which can’t be ignored - so it’s not all nonsense. The officials had an absolute shocker today. Every time there was a decision to be made by the ref, it seemed to go in Villa’s favour. We’ve got enough problems of our own to deal with, without dodgy refs adding to our plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Captain said: Wednesday have got to cut out these defensive lapses and take their chances in front of goal. Can’t blame anyone but ourselves for that. But the officials had a significant influence on that game today to our detriment, which can’t be ignored - so it’s not all nonsense. The officials had an absolute shocker today. Every time there was a decision to be made by the ref, it seemed to go in Villa’s favour. We’ve got enough problems of our own to deal with, without dodgy refs adding to our plight. I think we are papering over big cracks if we blame the ref at all for today. Most of the fouls he gave against us, were fouls. We have for a long time been guilty of giving away needless free kicks - mostly due to the lack of ability to tackle Yes the team is a patchwork at the minute and yes they are clearly giving their all but the basics should still be achievable. At least a point should have been ours today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 The last time I was back was for the Birmingham game, and the defending was poor then At that game I was talking to some mates who said we were all over the place at Boro as well, and how they didn’t get 5 that day, was unbelievable Are we really any more secure with the extra centre back? I haven’t seen enough of the system to judge Even the game at the stain, which was heralded as a great rearguard action, for half the game, it was a flat back four Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm an Essex Owl Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 30 minutes ago, torres said: I think we are papering over big cracks if we blame the ref at all for today. Most of the fouls he gave against us, were fouls. We have for a long time been guilty of giving away needless free kicks - mostly due to the lack of ability to tackle Yes the team is a patchwork at the minute and yes they are clearly giving their all but the basics should still be achievable. At least a point should have been ours today. Agree with much of this. We have a tendency to give away too many free kicks but don't agree that most of them were fouls (as he did not apply the same standard to their challenges on us) Some of them would not usually have been given by a "proper" ref. But definitely our defending for the 2nd and 3rd goals in particular was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 If you think the ref played no part in us losing that game today you're a total idiot. Only ourselves to blame? yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) Villas first team being stronger than out reserves shocker, not. Just want this season to finish and us be still in the championship next season tbh Edited February 24, 2018 by modboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Fred and Fox aren’t good enough, Lees on one leg is a better bet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls2k Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 People are surprised that we are struggling to defend today with 2 left backs and an unknown quantity in the back 3. On the flip side this squad is on its arse and Villa just could not deal with us in that first half, such a shame we didn't have talented subs to call upon like they did. Imagine if we could bring on the likes of Hooper, Hutch and Forestieri in that second half when the lads looked absolutely dead on their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 For along time we have been giving away free kicks too close to our box and have been poor in cutting out crosses. Fred is good enough, just overloaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejohn Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Although some of our defending was poor to say the ref played no part is ridiculous. Wouldn't anyone be reluctant to make a challenge when he knows full well from early on that the ref is looking to give the opposition everything and will likely book or send you off if given half the chance. I'm not one for papering over poor performances but the ref undoubtedly cost us the game today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 hours ago, jamiejohn said: Although some of our defending was poor to say the ref played no part is ridiculous. Wouldn't anyone be reluctant to make a challenge when he knows full well from early on that the ref is looking to give the opposition everything and will likely book or send you off if given half the chance. I'm not one for papering over poor performances but the ref undoubtedly cost us the game today The ref had a shocker and that played a part, but... 1. We didn’t take our chances 2. We gifted the the first goal with a mistake 3. We gave free kicks away in dangerous areas 4. We ran out of steam after an hour but didn’t make a change There’s four major things that happened that didn’t involve the referee making bad decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, McRightSide said: The ref had a shocker and that played a part, but... 1. We didn’t take our chances 2. We gifted the the first goal with a mistake 3. We gave free kicks away in dangerous areas 4. We ran out of steam after an hour but didn’t make a change There’s four major things that happened that didn’t involve the referee making bad decisions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, s6 owl said: Lets be reyt, some of them were fouls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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