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4 hours ago, nldowl said:

It’s down to the medical team and player when they return from injury... not a coach 

 

Not according to a physio at Wednesday who was sacked in the summer. Completely dictated by the manager apparently.

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4 hours ago, nldowl said:

It’s down to the medical team and player when they return from injury... not a coach 

its clearly down to all 3, player ,medical,team and manager , for instance lees thinks he is ready now,medical team do,but jos may not want to rush him back. 

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39 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

Not according to a physio at Wednesday who was sacked in the summer. Completely dictated by the manager apparently.

 

Funny that happens to be the same physio whose actions last year made Tom Lee’s injury worse by not doing what was asked of him by the coaches 

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11 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

The manager wanted me to get some minutes under my belt and I was more than willing to play with the Under-23s. 

 

I've got to cease reading too many between the lines, haven't I?! :)

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11 hours ago, @owlstalk said:


Let's not start that again

It's been done to death


Plus this article doesn't clear Carlos of blame whatsoever. if anything it's the exact opposite.

 

Let's not start this again you say, then you carry on blaming Carlos.... make your mind up lol 

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Perhaps Tom Lees thought he had to.play through injury or risk being banished to the reserves 

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11 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

Yeah says a lot that sentence

 

Without actually naming names we all know exactly what he means 

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12 hours ago, York_Owl said:

And quite rightly, he's the manager.  His job is to manage the players including their fitness, injuries etc.

 

Most players would probably say they are OK to play even if they are carrying an injury (as with Tom Lees).  A good manager should know when to play and when not to play one of their players.

 

We've got to stop saying this. A player's availability is the responsibility of the medical team and the player himself, not the manager. 

That is the scenario at all clubs.

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5 hours ago, handworth52 said:

its clearly down to all 3, player ,medical,team and manager , for instance lees thinks he is ready now,medical team do,but jos may not want to rush him back. 

 

No a manager cannot decide. Think about it for goodness sake.

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5 minutes ago, Wakefield owl said:

 

We've got to stop saying this. A player's availability is the responsibility of the medical team and the player himself, not the manager. 

That is the scenario at all clubs.

Who manages the players and the medical team?

 

who picks the team?

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5 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

Not according to a physio at Wednesday who was sacked in the summer. Completely dictated by the manager apparently.

 

Not true and if it were it doesn't say much about a physio who would allow himself to be overruled.

The same physio who oversaw Tom's breakdown last season - his bitter comments have little validity.

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2 minutes ago, York_Owl said:

Who manages the players and the medical team?

 

who picks the team?

 

But he can only pick players who have been passed fit to play by the medical team.

 

Can't believe how so many of you don't understand and accept that.

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4 minutes ago, Wakefield owl said:

 

But he can only pick players who have been passed fit to play by the medical team.

 

Can't believe how so many of you don't understand and accept that.

What if he just sacks the medical team and bring in a new one more in line with his way of thinking?

 

You may also be passed fit to play even tho you are carrying an injury. It’s the managers call whether to play him or not.

 

Also if the manager gets the recruitment right and the balance of the squad right there should be no need to pick a player carrying an injury. Tom Lees in particular seemed to play in pretty much every game. Where’s the player management there?

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18 minutes ago, Wakefield owl said:

 

But he can only pick players who have been passed fit to play by the medical team.

 

Can't believe how so many of you don't understand and accept that.

 

 

Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work

 

A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that

 

Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play

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8 minutes ago, scram said:

 

 

Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work

 

A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that

 

Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play

true that ......was once in rovrums dressing room and according to the star albert Bennett was supposedly due a fitness test ...he came in and danny Williams said how you feel albert , I feel good boss , right said danny get yer boots your playin ......that the medical man carried a sponge in bucket may have swayed danny thoughts though   

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18 hours ago, Bigaltheowl said:

and most were putting the blame on carlos

Um, that's an odd , 180 degrees-off reading of Lees's statement.

 

If anything, it gives credence to what a lot of us suspected the staff was doing...

 

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8 hours ago, scram said:

 

 

Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work

 

A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that

 

Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play

 And some managers will put pressure on a player to play when he is not 100% fit.

Perhaps a little injection will help 

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9 hours ago, scram said:

 

 

Can't believe how little you understand that some clubs actually work

 

A player never has to accept medical advice and if they declare themselves able to play then many managers will go with that

 

Some managers will take the advice of the medical team - many don't as long as the player is compliant and willing to play

 

That's the player making the decision not the manager.

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1 hour ago, oldishowl said:

 And some managers will put pressure on a player to play when he is not 100% fit.

Perhaps a little injection will help 

 

But a manager cannot make that decision.

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1 hour ago, oldishowl said:

 And some managers will put pressure on a player to play when he is not 100% fit.

Perhaps a little injection will help 

that's how they got prendo onto the pitch and it just about crippled him in later life .......

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