Carlos Carvalhal "I wasn't sacked. We had problems"

[HarrowbyOwl]

6 minutes ago, Finlux_Cup said:

 

Escape your past??!?!   the chairman has paid for players, wages, pitch, scoreboard, ground improvements etc etc etc from personal wealth, we haven’t borrowed it from Semtex Sid the local moneylender!

You miss my point mate. Just explaining what a rolling three year assessment means, as opposed to a fixed three year period. It’s not the case that after this year the slate is wiped clean and you go again

[Spookone]

8 hours ago, ramone said:

I am

You are 

[Lord Snooty]

• All our potential transfer targets are identified by the head coach.

 

• It is the responsibility of Carlos and his staff to present players that he believes will improve our squad. 

 

• Carlos will present his targets on a basis of preference. So if we cannot achieve the first target, we move on to the second and so on.

 

• Of course, it may well be that our advisors suggest another player on occasion in discussion – this is completely normal – and the head coach will say yes or no, the final say on any player’s suitability rests with him.

Dejphon Chansiri 

Statement  

06/11/17

[daveyboy66]

1 hour ago, Socialist_Owl said:

You're saying there was no appreciable dropoff in quality between s1 and s2?  

 

 

 

No there was...we got more points in the second season so the drop off from the first season was palpable...good point

[daveyboy66]

1 hour ago, Saxondale said:

 

This has been done to death to be honest, but do you think the rest of the league may have wised up to how we play after the first season? There was a notable change in our tempo and style because the majority of teams changed THEIR tempo and style to combat us. Anyone with half a brain saw how teams were coming to Hillsborough not to play to our strengths and openly attack us, but look to press, stifle and frustrate us.

 

Now you could maybe point the finger and say he didn’t have a plan B to get around that, but to imply he just woke up one morning and thought “hang on, I might just swap this successful attractive style of play for something a bit slower and more turgid” is ridiculous. 

They did... that's why our points total in the second season was an even better achievement

[gypsyowl]

20 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said:

They did... that's why our points total in the second season was an even better achievement

 

Neither seasons under Carlos achieved anything though? 

 

We’re now in a bigger mess than when he arrived? 

[northeastowl]

1 hour ago, Saxondale said:

 

Just because something doesn’t fit your agenda doesn’t mean it’s rubbish mate.

 

Open your eyes for God’s sake. The Carlos era had ran its course yes, but most people don’t know the half of what he had to put up with. 

 

Presume you mean DC.

[coopswfc76]

1 hour ago, Socialist_Owl said:

Was the turgidity working, is what you should ask yourself.

 

If you think the answer to Hull's stifling midfield full of men against boys was to slow down and put even more pressure on a creaky backline that was put through the proverbial ringer already, well,  that's just a serious misreading of the situation.

 

Why the change?  Injuries didn't ravage us yet.  What happened

 

What were chances of playing Hull again in playoffs though???

[torryowl]

26 minutes ago, gypsyowl said:

 

Neither seasons under Carlos achieved anything though? 

 

We’re now in a bigger mess than when he arrived? 

we had 2 seasons that went down to the wire when usually they are over sometime around mid October ........ok we didn't achieve what we hoped for but good seasons nonetheless.if you judge a good year by achieving something then we've only had about 15 in our 150 year history . 

[daveyboy66]

27 minutes ago, gypsyowl said:

 

Neither seasons under Carlos achieved anything though? 

 

We’re now in a bigger mess than when he arrived? 

Why? because we've got players injured? We achieved more in those first two seasons than we had done for the previous 20 odd...we didn't go up...bless. Well guess what we've only had FOUR managers who have got promotions for the team since I've been watching them in 1960 and we've had a lot better teams than the previous two years. So exactly how are we worse off. Get a grip

[Athelwulf]

13 hours ago, owls maniac said:

What’s most concerning is that despite how pitiful our performances had become DC still didn’t pull the trigger. If it wasn’t for Swansea tapping him up he would still be here! 

 

Yes, spot on.

 

And it doesn't surprise me one iota.

 

There's a terrible irony in all this.

 

We should be thanking Carlos, because the only reason he's no longer here is because he decided to leave off his own bat.

 

If it were down to Chansiri, he'd probably still be here and we'd definitely be going down. 

 

If we stay up, he'll have saved us.

 

We can't rely on our dumpling of a chairman.

 

The "problems" were that the players weren't trying any more, and that's doubtless what he told Chansiri.

 

The only hold we have over Chansiri is the money we put into the club.

 

That's why, bearing in mind the chairman we have, buying 20 000 season tickets ain't a good idea.

[daveyboy66]

1 minute ago, Athelwulf said:

 

Yes, spot on.

 

And it doesn't surprise me one iota.

 

There's a terrible irony in all this.

 

We should be thanking Carlos, because the only reason he's no longer here is because he decided to leave off his own bat.

 

If it were down to Chansiri, he'd probably still be here and we'd definitely be going down. 

 

If we stay up, he'll have saved us.

 

We can't rely on our dumpling of a chairman.

 

The "problems" were that the players weren't trying any more, and that's doubtless what he told Chansiri.

 

The only hold we have over Chansiri is the money we put into the club.

 

That's why, bearing in mind the chairman we have, buying 20 000 season tickets ain't a good idea.

Au contraire mon ami...if you are going to go to matches then buying a season ticket at £18.24 a match is the best idea possible.

[Socialist_Owl]

2 hours ago, daveyboy66 said:

No there was...we got more points in the second season so the drop off from the first season was palpable...good point

Big flipping deal.  More mediocre to poor teams available to grab pts off in S2 than S1.

 

Comparing  point totals across different seasons is incredibly uninformative.

[Socialist_Owl]

1 hour ago, coopswfc76 said:

 

What were chances of playing Hull again in playoffs though???

It was just a matter of shoring up deficiency in squad...

 

Something he never did...

[Orlando_Trustful]

I'll always have respect for him for the 15/16 season. It was a joy at times. 

[Utah Owl]

16 hours ago, Lord Snooty said:

But just what we're those problems?

 

• Scattergun transfer policy which mean we never signed a striker capable of doing 100m in less than two minutes? 
• FFP?
• Or pesky fans questioning why they were paying top dollar for second division football with the attacking intent of a 1960s Italian Catenaccio?
• Referees? 
• The whole of the squad being cripples?
• Doyen
• Not enough shirts to go around

 

 

What problems Damn it! What problems!

You missed the biggest problem of all, the reflection in the mirror!

[Lord Snooty]

6 minutes ago, Utah Owl said:

You missed the biggest problem of all, the reflection in the mirror!

 

Edited February 8, 2018 by Lord Snooty

[gypsyowl]

9 hours ago, torryowl said:

we had 2 seasons that went down to the wire when usually they are over sometime around mid October ........ok we didn't achieve what we hoped for but good seasons nonetheless.if you judge a good year by achieving something then we've only had about 15 in our 150 year history . 

 

exactly 

[0114]

There’s a real threat of relegation right now. He would be massively to blame if we went down given the money he spent. I won’t be clapping him or booing. He gave me a good day out and that it’s. No better off when he came than when he left. 

[gypsyowl]

9 hours ago, daveyboy66 said:

Why? because we've got players injured? We achieved more in those first two seasons than we had done for the previous 20 odd...we didn't go up...bless. Well guess what we've only had FOUR managers who have got promotions for the team since I've been watching them in 1960 and we've had a lot better teams than the previous two years. So exactly how are we worse off. Get a grip

 

all the crap we've signed under carlos we're now stuck with, old players on huge contract we cannot shift as no re-sell value, the complete opposite to what Wolves have done, if it didn't work form them they could re-sell players as all a young age so they're not affected long term by FFP

 

we now cannot strengthen unless we get rid of players, but who will want them? 

 

ideal scenario is last weekend a 1 off, we keep another clean sheet on sat, jos steadies ship until end of season, finish around half way (ambitions) we get the likes of bannan, lees, hooper, fletch back soon, we beat swansea, get to Quarter Final, Jos can asses squad, we can offload players in summer (seems doubtful to me as think we're stuck with a lot of them) then we can pick up some dutch/german based bargains to build a half decent team next season.

 

would love the above to happen but I guess I'm a drama queen