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#SWFC Summer 2018 Transfer Window Rumours Thread

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1 minute ago, Watson said:

 

Hope our right, let's hope that they don't disappear in to obscurity.

 

You never know with football. But they are two players we should have tied down on the long term years ago. Hopefully the club has learnt it's lesson. 

 

The club was so focused on getting to the Premier League it neglected youth. We are seeing the fallout of that with Clare and Hirst. Two very talented footballers who could have gone for big money.

 

Unfortunately other clubs come sniffing and we didn't do enough to keep them here. What happens when you have good youngsters on the books. Call them greedy or whatever, they have no loyalty to the club and if they believe they can get a better deal elsewhere you can't fault them.

 

But in my opinion, the club needs to be proactive and let them realise that there is a route to the first team. There is now. Unfortunately it came too late for these two.

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18 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

You never know with football. But they are two players we should have tied down on the long term years ago. Hopefully the club has learnt it's lesson. 

 

The club was so focused on getting to the Premier League it neglected youth. We are seeing the fallout of that with Clare and Hirst. Two very talented footballers who could have gone for big money.

 

Unfortunately other clubs come sniffing and we didn't do enough to keep them here. What happens when you have good youngsters on the books. Call them greedy or whatever, they have no loyalty to the club and if they believe they can get a better deal elsewhere you can't fault them.

 

But in my opinion, the club needs to be proactive and let them realise that there is a route to the first team. There is now. Unfortunately it came too late for these two.

Purely about money. Hirst seen some of his Man City / Chelsea team mates for England earning 20 or 30 times what he is on and he has thought I will have a bit of that. Clare has put in a couple of decent performances and would be after a better deal also..

 

We had offered them 20 grand a week deals both would have signed months ago. reality is it's more like 2 or 3 grand.

 

Can't blame them really thats moden day football nowadays. But i doubt we we be saying in the future about either of them what a great shame it was as I don't expect them to become real quality players at premier league level.

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12 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

You never know with football. But they are two players we should have tied down on the long term years ago. Hopefully the club has learnt it's lesson. 

 

The club was so focused on getting to the Premier League it neglected youth. We are seeing the fallout of that with Clare and Hirst. Two very talented footballers who could have gone for big money.

 

Unfortunately other clubs come sniffing and we didn't do enough to keep them here. What happens when you have good youngsters on the books. Call them greedy or whatever, they have no loyalty to the club and if they believe they can get a better deal elsewhere you can't fault them.

 

But in my opinion, the club needs to be proactive and let them realise that there is a route to the first team. There is now. Unfortunately it came too late for these two.

 

 

Agree with most of what you say but if you were to tie down every talented player with good contracts then you are going to end up with players who don't live up to their early promise.   I'm sure OT would have plenty to say about that.

 

At this moment we don't know how good or bad the contracts are, so it's difficult to judge whether the players are justified in declining them.  But for me, they look after number one, as we all do regarding jobs if anyone was offered better terms for doing the same job they would jump at the chance.  If they have been offered a contract with a Premier club then whatever we offer we going to ultimately fail in attracting them.

 

Having said that I would hope that behind the scenes we are still being proactive and that deals can still be worked out.

 

This episode illustrates to me how difficult it is bringing youngsters to fruition, must be one of the most rewarding and also upsetting tasks of football management.

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Sooooo...

Any rumours yet? 

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The attention Hayden White apparently got is about as exaggerated as his talent. He was mentioned but not that much. 

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If Hirst goes on to be a top player and goes on to play in the PL and for England, will it hurt more than Vardy?

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9 minutes ago, Sonny said:

The attention Hayden White apparently got is about as exaggerated as his talent. He was mentioned but not that much. 

 

Seem to remember quite a biggish thread but then I have a terrible so could be wrong.

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4 minutes ago, steelcityowlsfan said:

If Hirst goes on to be a top player and goes on to play in the PL and for England, will it hurt more than Vardy?

 

Did Vardy hurt?  Don't think many were aware that he was ever involved with Wednesday. 

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1 minute ago, Watson said:

 

Seem to remember quite a biggish thread but then I have a terrible so could be wrong.

 

I’m sure there was a thread, but not many of them, over months, with accompanying twitter abuse and meltdowns.

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13 minutes ago, steelcityowlsfan said:

If Hirst goes on to be a top player and goes on to play in the PL and for England, will it hurt more than Vardy?

Not for me. Very different in that the club want Hirst to stay. We rejected Vardy.

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1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

You never know with football. But they are two players we should have tied down on the long term years ago. Hopefully the club has learnt it's lesson. 

 

The club was so focused on getting to the Premier League it neglected youth. We are seeing the fallout of that with Clare and Hirst. Two very talented footballers who could have gone for big money.

 

Unfortunately other clubs come sniffing and we didn't do enough to keep them here. What happens when you have good youngsters on the books. Call them greedy or whatever, they have no loyalty to the club and if they believe they can get a better deal elsewhere you can't fault them.

 

But in my opinion, the club needs to be proactive and let them realise that there is a route to the first team. There is now. Unfortunately it came too late for these two.

It didn't for Clare. He was tried in the first team. By investing in them both from a early age, I would say the club have done more than enough to aid their development. I agree there isn't any loyalty as both appear to have demonstrated. Im sure their advisor's know what they are doing. There was always a door open for young Hirst but he chose not to go through it. He still isn't proven on the big stage, is he. 

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HITC report, Max Clark, Hull City LB, refused a new contract. Similar situation to Clare, aged 22, so will go to tribunal if fee not agreed. Millwall and Forest linked. Has played 30 times at Championship level and did well. Should we be interested? Fits Jos' transfer profile, perfectly.

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12 hours ago, Watson said:

 

Did Vardy hurt?  Don't think many were aware that he was ever involved with Wednesday. 

No it didnt, when he was at hillsborough he wasnt good enough and we let him go. Simple as that!

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14 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

 

You never know with football. But they are two players we should have tied down on the long term years ago. Hopefully the club has learnt it's lesson. 

 

The club was so focused on getting to the Premier League it neglected youth. We are seeing the fallout of that with Clare and Hirst. Two very talented footballers who could have gone for big money.

 

Unfortunately other clubs come sniffing and we didn't do enough to keep them here. What happens when you have good youngsters on the books. Call them greedy or whatever, they have no loyalty to the club and if they believe they can get a better deal elsewhere you can't fault them.

 

But in my opinion, the club needs to be proactive and let them realise that there is a route to the first team. There is now. Unfortunately it came too late for these two.

how many years ago would you have recommended  nailing them down ? Hard to see either of them being offered more than two years and not talking daft money either.

 

Claire is much easier to deal with, he knows he has a way to travel. Yet, Hirst believes what he has been spoon fed, with no senior goals to his credit he is demanding of super star status, the boy is heading for a big let down IMO.

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13 hours ago, Watson said:

 

Did Vardy hurt?  Don't think many were aware that he was ever involved with Wednesday. 

Yes it would but i'm quite relaxed by the situation. 

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In talks with Hans Jackov

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1 hour ago, chizumgeorge said:

No it didnt, when he was at hillsborough he wasnt good enough and we let him go. Simple as that!

Nothing to do with not been good enough why he was let go

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14 hours ago, joelswfc said:

Not for me. Very different in that the club want Hirst to stay. We rejected Vardy.

Exactly right. Hirst has done himself no favours.

 

Look at 2 examples of up coming youngsters.

 

Ryan Sessignon - Get's his head down at Fulham, Plays 48 games, 16 goals, plenty of assists, stand out player in championship

 

George Hirst - Sits on his backside all season cos Sheffield Wednesday won't pay him megabucks.

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4 minutes ago, sweetsheri said:

Exactly right. Hirst has done himself no favours.

 

Look at 2 examples of up coming youngsters.

 

Ryan Sessignon - Get's his head down at Fulham, Plays 48 games, 16 goals, plenty of assists, stand out player in championship

 

George Hirst - Sits on his backside all season cos Sheffield Wednesday won't pay him megabucks.

Did he actually refuse to play then?

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2 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Did he actually refuse to play then?

Don't know but he was happy to allow the circumstances to happen that meant the club decided not to play him.

 

He should have just accepted the "derisory" record offer we gave him and proved himself worthy of a big move

Like Sessignon has done.

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