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The debate should be on how it can be improved and made more efficient. Not whether it should be introduced or not. There’s simply too much riding on decisions these days so it will happen. 

 

Personally I think there should be a screen so fans could see what’s going off. It should only be used for dubious goals, offside goals and penalty decisions imo but I know it can get messy when the game plays on then gets brought back. 

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49 minutes ago, trask43 said:

 

Thats not how it panned out in the liverpool west brom game, given the fuss caused early on by VAR and the pressure applied by the players the ref soon has to check every goal just to be on the safe side. It would certainly be used for every goal scored from a forward pass where there is even the slightest possibility of offside and any goal from a corner where there is always potential for a shirt pull or a block on the keeper. 

It will be shaky to start with. Will take a while for it to settle and find a medium. Wont be great at the beginning.

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14 hours ago, fred mciver said:

Ok , I know we have loads o young, bright teckies that populate this great site but can I appeal to all to drown our the noise from those like Staton on Radio Sheffield calling for VAR to be brought in.

 

If nothing else, this weekend's tech disasters should end this daft experiment.

 

And before you go on about its infancy, not in Europe it aint. VAR is more mature there and still a disaster.

 

Why? Because it still relies on humans and - guess what - we make errors. 

 

Otherwise , why not replace Rhodes with a robot and have done with it. 

 

No, football flows and that's why it's most popular sport ever.

 

Most other games have regular , natural breaks.  It won't work, short of 2 hour matches (tell that to Sky, Virgin trains, etc).

 

So, any opportunity to influence , please banish help these nerds back to their video games. 

 

Cheers. 1- 2 at Boro, Rhodes ' revenge with a brace. 

 

 

Football is not like any other sport. I will agree with you there.

 

A sport where it's still OK to bully the ref and generally act like big children with very little consequence.

 

The more I watch managers or players behave like Pep Guardiola and his charges did at the weekend when the assistant and the refs got a marginal decision wrong makes me want to see decisions become more matter of fact rather than guess work. It puts me off football seeing all the hysterical theatrics - it is arrogance and it is attention seeking. Football only became like this with the millions on offer and the huge technological advancements that came with SKY in the early 90s. Not saying players weren't passionate before, they were, but they certainly weren't pampered, soft or as prone to cheating. They were making headlines mainly for the right reasons, not the wrong ones.

 

VAR is only in its infancy, like it was in rugby, cricket and tennis before it and I believe there will be a way to make it work but it's not ready yet. I also don't think it's fair to have it at some FA Cup 4th round ties but not the Sunday matches, what's the problem, is VAR religious or something?

 

It will never resolve all controversial decisions so we will still have plenty to argue about but it can quickly eradicate the obvious blunders. I'd like to see it used for citing as well because we'd have a lot less diving and backchat in the games. As a cricket, tennis and rugby fan, a sports fan in general, it has improved the integrity of the game in all aspects without ever being perfect.

 

If you think it will spoil the beautiful game, I would argue that the beautiful game is already lost and this might be one way of getting back to a respectable spectacle.

 

 

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13 hours ago, matthefish2002 said:

I am against use of VAR, think will stop flow of games as happened in Liverpool v WBA.

But if they are going to use it why wasn't it trailed in something like pre season games so a few things could have been ironed out first.

 

1 problem I can foresee is something's like penalty decisions are so borderline that even after I have seen them 5 times from different angles and slow motion replays even I am not sure.

 

 

In that case the ref should give a soft signal on whether or not he thought it was a penalty. A video ref watches it and looks for substantial evidence to overturn the decision. If it isn't there he sticks with the ref. Like cricket.

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14 hours ago, Southie_Owl said:

VAR should not be used for subjective decisions but for matter of fact incidents, like offside. 

 

There’s not been many wrong decisions in football that have effected the final results as usually the best team win the league/cups and the worst teams get relegated. It’s not often teams can look back and say they were lucky/unlucky with refereeing decisions was the reason for their season. We have goal line technology which was the most important thing

 

I think they should focus more on retrospective action and punish people harsher after games, to try and prevent players from wanting to do bad things during matches 

 

I see your point but if we'd had it for Hand of God England fans might not still be singing about 1966.

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1 hour ago, trask43 said:

 

Thats not how it panned out in the liverpool west brom game, given the fuss caused early on by VAR and the pressure applied by the players the ref soon has to check every goal just to be on the safe side. It would certainly be used for every goal scored from a forward pass where there is even the slightest possibility of offside and any goal from a corner where there is always potential for a shirt pull or a block on the keeper. 

 

That brings an argument that football isn't intelligent enough to successfully implement VAR.

 

I hadn't considered that.

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16 minutes ago, OutspokenTom said:

 

I see your point but if we'd had it for Hand of God England fans might not still be singing about 1966.

 

Add 2005 PO Final to that. State of that penalty and red card. VAR would have kept us down. For every loser there's a winner.

 

I'm not a fan myself unless at the very least replays are shown live at stadium and the referee has to explain decision to crowd who don't know what the fluff is going on.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Manila_Owl said:

 

Add 2005 PO Final to that. State of that penalty and red card. VAR would have kept us down. For every loser there's a winner.

 

I'm not a fan myself unless at the very least replays are shown live at stadium and the referee has to explain decision to crowd who don't know what the fluff is going on.

 

 

 

I understand that too, imagine the ref explaining an unpopular marginal decision to tens of thousands of baying football fans! They would need very thick skin and it will require them to no longer hide behind the FA who defend them rigorously regardless.

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VAR is coming and it will help reduce the amount of ridiculously bad decisions. It won’t be perfect but it will help, they will tweak the system and make it better. Apple don’t scrap an invention based on 1 bad test, or 20 bad tests. They work until it’s right. It should be used to rectify clear and obvious mistakes. Anything that is 50/50 is left for the ref, there will be still plenty to debate after a match. Be patient. 

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20 hours ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

VAR should be used only as an appeal system.

 

Each team should have 1 appeal per half. If upheld then they retain their appeal then if not they lose it.

What happens if they then get their second appeal wrong? 

The other team get their first appeal wrong. 

So both teams got an appeal wrong but one side has 2 bites at the cherry. 

Fair? 

PS. Just for arguments sake the team who got their first appeal wrong was to get their second appeal right if allowed to do so. 

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The problems come when the ball isn't dead and players appeal. Does the ref wait for a break or stop the game? A goal could be scored between the appeal and the stoppage if he waits for a natural break. 

 

I agree with 1 appeal per half or per game, lose it if you're wrong, keep if upheld. After all, it's about getting things right, not gaining an advantage. Only the manager or captain can appeal and any players that ask the ref directly get a yellow card, maybe a red if the yellow isn't a deterrent. Still the point above stands about when to stop play but it'd cut those incidents down. 

 

Still concerned that goals will be contested as a matter of course therefore ruining goals live at games. Celebrating, seeing the ref signal then even if goal given its a muted celebration. 

 

As you can see, it's not easy. 

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With some of the dreadful referee performances at Hillsborough, we desperately need to use video evidence for crucial decisions. If they used our big screen for controversial moments I am convinced we would have had some better results and even without the screen, nearly every supporter can remember clear mistakes made by the officials. The main problem with VAR is training the referee team to use it properly- the technology is not the problem. 

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Wait while Rhodes scores the winner in this year's cup final or next season's play off final only for it to be ruled off - side 2 minutes later because VAR operator interprets it different, saying one of our players move slightly during build up.

 

In fact, he just stumbled a little on well - worn turf.

 

Ref and linesman had ruled play on as not interfering.

 

No, let's get rid of this nonsense after trial period. 

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7 hours ago, daleblue said:

What happens if they then get their second appeal wrong? 

The other team get their first appeal wrong. 

So both teams got an appeal wrong but one side has 2 bites at the cherry. 

Fair? 

PS. Just for arguments sake the team who got their first appeal wrong was to get their second appeal right if allowed to do so. 

 

I think that might be vexatiously over complicating it by a conflagration of the hypothetical possibilities that may happen in any given scenario. 

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4 hours ago, hasthagotanycheese said:

 

I think that might be vexatiously over complicating it by a conflagration of the hypothetical possibilities that may happen in any given scenario. 

 

And there in a nutshell is their complaint.

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Bloody hate technology...get the real game back...'goal line technology' can bugger right off too...get the refs n lino's fitter and leave it like that...even reduce the number of cameras at games too...I want my old proper 'togger' back!! garymegson

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all these changes will soon make football into a shadow of what it once was ,bad decisions good decisions whatever they are adds to the nature of the game take that away and sadly football will be the loser 

 

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