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3 minutes ago, Hitcat said:

I bet if there was a poll, it would be the older posters who were more against.

 

bizarrely a lot of fans used to applaud back passes to the keeper

there was a lot of kerfuffle when the back pass law was introduced

 

same thing when they switched from 2pts to 3pts for a win

 

massive protests against goal line technology

 

introduction of 4th official was heavily ridiculed

 

 

..what you gonna do? .....some people don't like change

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When the history of football is written, it along with wage and transfer fee inflation will be highlighted as what killed the game.

 

You think the atmosphere is bad now at games imagine what it will be like when you can't celebrate a goal until it has been checked from numerous angles.

Every time there is a ball into the box there could be a call to review for pushing.

As more and more calls get made by VAR the live game experience of fast flowing games will die.

 

Still it will give flagging TV coverage a much needed boost.

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Just now, Davidioso said:

 

bizarrely a lot of fans used to applaud back passes to the keeper

there was a lot of kerfuffle when the back pass law was introduced

 

same thing when they switched from 2pts to 3pts for a win

 

massive protests against goal line technology

 

introduction of 4th official was heavily ridiculed

 

 

..what you gonna do? .....some people don't like change

 

a lot of people were against showing red and yellow cards too instead of the "book" (Bob Wilson football focus) as this somehow inflamed the crowd

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12 minutes ago, Davidioso said:

 

bizarrely a lot of fans used to applaud back passes to the keeper

there was a lot of kerfuffle when the back pass law was introduced

 

same thing when they switched from 2pts to 3pts for a win

 

massive protests against goal line technology

 

introduction of 4th official was heavily ridiculed

 

 

..what you gonna do? .....some people don't like change

 

As an older fan, I'd like to make clear that I welcomed the back pass rule, and that nearly everyone supported the change to 3points for a win.

 

Goal line technology, I was neutral, but have to agree it's been a good system. But why can't it be introduced to check if the ball goes out for a goal kick / corner (see Newport's goal)?

 

4th official? It's still ridiculed isn't it? What, of any importance, does he do? However, if introduced properly, I'd consider on-field assistant referees. A bit like American football, but not as many.

 

And I'm strongly in favour of independent time keeping. Stop the clock etc. 

 

But best of all, bring back the goal average! WTF:

 

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2 hours ago, The Captain said:

Ruins the flow and atmosphere of every game.

 

VAR means that you can’t even celebrate a goal anymore.  And if this comes in, we are going to see more players surrounding the refs several times a game, putting pressure on to have decisions “reviewed”.

 

Its total böllocks and needs stamping out before it ruins the game I love.

Why cant you celebrate a goal. We are talking small percentages that would require VAR assistance.

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8 minutes ago, billyblack said:

Why cant you celebrate a goal. We are talking small percentages that would require VAR assistance.

 

Because after every single time the ball goes in the net, fans will be thinking, “Hmm, right ok, now let’s just hang on for another 4-5 minutes while the refs analyse every camera angle going, for an offside or a foul or a handball, did anything happen in the build up further down the pitch, should a throw-in have been given when we played on 10 seconds before the ball went in the goal?”

 

This VAR crap kills the ebb and flow of the game.  I’m totally against it.

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The thing that bugs me about VAR is that even when play is stopped for a review, the flow of the game will break up.

 

For instance, most people will remember Frank Simek's vital goal in the relegation battle a few years back at Millwall. Simek's goal came about because the referee gave a free kick when he adjudged Lee Bullen (who was in goal at the time) had been fouled as Millwall put the ball in the Wednesday net. The free kick was taken quickly and the play moved swiftly into the Millwall goal area whilst most of the Millwall team were still celebrating the "goal" in front of the away end. VAR could easily end the "quick free kick" because in football, even when the ball is "dead", it can come back into play in an instant either from a free kick, a corner, a throw in, goal kick, etc. Instead, the referee will take the easy route and call for VAR if only to validate their decision.

 

In cricket (which is much more amenable to technology like this), we now get umpires calling for video replay "just to make sure" when a player is run-out, hits a boundary or is bowled. That sort of check doesn't really spoil the game of cricket because there are natural breaks after each delivery when the ball is dead but one of football's great selling points is that, unlike cricket and rugby league, it is fast and free-flowing (usually!).

 

I'm not againt technology being used in football but the pressure to use technology for technology's sake is overpowering.

 

(and, as many peope have already spotted, there is still a substantial element of interpretation on what you can actually see on a TV screen - "Was he pushed or did he fall?", etc.)

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4 hours ago, 0wl18 said:

So to make a challenge you have to highlIght to the 4th official why you’re making the challenge, you can’t make it on a whim. There has to be an explanation to review.

 

Which is why we are debating it, things need to change its too complicated

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I don't mind if they still get some very marginal decisions wrong or decide that something is or isn't a penalty when I would disagree.

 

I welcome it because officials get too many clear-cut decisions wrong. If we can eradicate them then it will make me happy.

 

As for the delays, I don't care. Adds to the spectacle I think. 

 

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And don't forget, for every Lampard 'GOAL' against Germany there's 1966.

 

(Q to 66 Soviet linesman who gave goal: Why? 'Stalingrad').

 

It balances itself out. Except in Carlos - land.

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I've gone from wanting it all to thinking it's a nightmare. Every goal that is scored will be reviewed and the instant celebrations will be muted cos people won't want to get carried away. I already look to the ref and lino when we score before letting myself go mad. This makes it worse. 

 

How about 2 refs and 4 linos all mic'd up and communicating? Or a ref and assistant on the pitch, 4 linos and assistant defer to ref. 

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5 hours ago, The Captain said:

Ruins the flow and atmosphere of every game.

 

VAR means that you can’t even celebrate a goal anymore.  And if this comes in, we are going to see more players surrounding the refs several times a game, putting pressure on to have decisions “reviewed”.

 

Its total böllocks and needs stamping out before it ruins the game I love.

Yes, yes, yes. And to those who say it should be used ONLY on certain occasions, I say, that's not how these things work. Once they start people ask, why not use it for other things and we end up with a beautiful game ruined. Subs started with one sub allowed for injury.  Immediately managers abused it by telling players to feign injury to change the game. Then we allowed tactical substitutions, then 2 subs, then 3 until we end up with 11.

Sound in the refs ear to indicate the ball has crossed the goal line is a good use of technology but anything else.....NO, NO, NO!

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1 minute ago, 31Dec1966 said:

Yes, yes, yes. And to those who say it should be used ONLY on certain occasions, I say, that's not how these things work. Once they start people ask, why not use it for other things and we end up with a beautiful game ruined. Subs started with one sub allowed for injury.  Immediately managers abused it by telling players to feign injury to change the game. Then we allowed tactical substitutions, then 2 subs, then 3 until we end up with 11.

Sound in the refs ear to indicate the ball has crossed the goal line is a good use of technology but anything else.....NO, NO, NO!

Use it like the review system in cricket...Give each manager 2 reviews each...that he relays to the 4th official.....be hilarious to watch such as Mourinhio and Wenger proved wrong live on Tv..The poutin' f.ookers...

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6 hours ago, The Captain said:

 

Because after every single time the ball goes in the net, fans will be thinking, “Hmm, right ok, now let’s just hang on for another 4-5 minutes while the refs analyse every camera angle going, for an offside or a foul or a handball, did anything happen in the build up further down the pitch, should a throw-in have been given when we played on 10 seconds before the ball went in the goal?”

 

This VAR crap kills the ebb and flow of the game.  I’m totally against it.

They wouldnt use VAR for every action or goal in a game. Just for the odd incident where it wasnt clear. Someone scores a screamer from 30 yds they arent going to play it back unless its just to see how good it was.

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3 hours ago, 31Dec1966 said:

Yes, yes, yes. And to those who say it should be used ONLY on certain occasions, I say, that's not how these things work. Once they start people ask, why not use it for other things and we end up with a beautiful game ruined. Subs started with one sub allowed for injury.  Immediately managers abused it by telling players to feign injury to change the game. Then we allowed tactical substitutions, then 2 subs, then 3 until we end up with 11.

Sound in the refs ear to indicate the ball has crossed the goal line is a good use of technology but anything else.....NO, NO, NO!

Works fine in other sports. Dont get the fuss myself. Beautiful game..... if thats what you call moaning about goals that shouldnt have been or goals that should have. Or players rolling around like they have been shot when noone is stood within 10 feet. Bring it in. Just use it right. Get the refs mic'd up. Let everybody hear. Stop the players gobbing off every 5 secs too.

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6 minutes ago, billyblack said:

They wouldnt use VAR for every action or goal in a game. Just for the odd incident where it wasnt clear. Someone scores a screamer from 30 yds they arent going to play it back unless its just to see how good it was.

 

Thats not how it panned out in the liverpool west brom game, given the fuss caused early on by VAR and the pressure applied by the players the ref soon has to check every goal just to be on the safe side. It would certainly be used for every goal scored from a forward pass where there is even the slightest possibility of offside and any goal from a corner where there is always potential for a shirt pull or a block on the keeper. 

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It is rubbish and slow at the moment because of the ineptitude of the FA.

 

They have implemented their own system,

The VAR doesn't see the same pictures as we see at home on Sky or BT etc.

Sky and BT have a small army of minions instantly replaying incidents from all angles.... the VAR has only 2.

The FA hasn't consulted the people who run the systems in Rugby/Cricket etc for advice.

 

Typical FA.. we will do it our way wether it works or not.

 

 

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