striker Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) OK, so we have to be mindful of FFP, but it is not all doom and gloom. Below is a reasonably competitive team (acknowledging some weak links) we could field with an average age around 24. Add in some options like Penney (19), Nielson (19), O'Grady (20) as back up. Established players like Palmer (26), Matias (28) and factor in some of the returning players like Lees (27), Bannan (28), Hutchinson (28), Hooper (29) and starts to look a whole lot better. I have not even included the likes of Fletcher, Abdi, Loovens, Pudil, Wallace, Boyd, Jones, Lee, Jones, Butterfield, FF, Nuhiu, or Westood all of whom would contribute towards a significant saving on wages (at least) if needed. Not to advocate that we seek to move them all on, but in truth a good number of these have not been available for long periods over their SWFC careers, so can questions their value v contribution? FFP aside, think we have reason to be optimistic for the future and looking forward to seeing how Jos reshapes this sqaud over the summer. Edited January 23, 2018 by striker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookeh Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Highlights for me that we need a right wing back. Reach can go out left, Bannan into the middle and we have options at centerback until van Aken finds his feet. Right back is where we would benefit the most from a step up in quality right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 If we had to get rid of all the players we have signed for fees and play with free agents and kids. This is our squad to pick from based on our current squad Goal Westwood (free), Wildsmith/Dawson (Youth) Centre backs Lees (free), Loovens (free), Ogrady/ Neilson/Thorniley (youth) Full backs Palmer/Penney/Baker (Youth) Wingers Boyd (free), Wallace (free), Stobbs (youth) Central midfield Hutch (free), Lee (free), Bannan (free), Clare (youth) Strikers Nuihu (free), Hirst (Youth), Fletcher (free) Fees paid - Hunt, Jones, Aken, Rhodes, Butterfield (Loan fee), Hooper, Joao, Matias, Reach, Pelupesy, Pudil, Fox, Abdi, Forestieri, Venancio (loan fee), Kean I think a team of free and kids might not be a bad thing yes we lose Rhodes, Fessi, Hooper and Reach but with the above frees and youth we should be a mid table team all be it a bit weak in attack and on the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Still a heavy and unbalanced squad in certain areas so I’d bee keen to see if we can help the FFP situation by selling one or two. When people talk about FFP it tends to always be regarding players brought in and value for money etc. It’s just as important to balance the books the other way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, MuddyFunkster said: Still a heavy and unbalanced squad in certain areas so I’d bee keen to see if we can help the FFP situation by selling one or two. When people talk about FFP it tends to always be regarding players brought in and value for money etc. It’s just as important to balance the books the other way too. Completely agree, there are arguably 12 established, presumably high earning players to choose from in my list, some of whom who could be sold to balance to books (if anyone will take them). Butterflied will go back at the end of the season which will save his wage and likely that Winnall will be one sold for £2-3m potentially? Nothing wrong with selling to balance the books, it is something DC is going to have to manage better. I anticipate Winnall, FF (but at a much reduced fee than quoted last year given his injury) will be the most likely sold, can see those out of contract being released and would understand if Swansea came sniffing round Bannan, Lee and Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, striker said: To be fair if you were to look at that team and add only about half of our other "older" players Def: Lees, Hutch, Pudil Mid: Lee Bannan, Abdi Att: Hooper, Matias, Forestieri You would say that that would be a top 8 team. One or two smart acquisitions and you'd probably bet on a play-off challenge campaign, and with youth getting a chance under Luhukay there could well be one or two that could push on to further strengthen us. Of course, the hard part is making the right type of signings... even harder is selling the existing players. I have faith Jos can do the former, the latter is somewhat up to the footballing gods and will a club want to buy the players I haven't included: Fletcher, Nuhiu, Wallace, Boyd, Jones, Loovens, Westwood. Wallace and Loovens are out of contract in the summer, and I think we could easily get a buyer for Westwood... not sure about the others... Edited January 23, 2018 by StudentOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 “Reasonably competitive” isn’t really good enough for this league Looking at that team, it would be a struggle to stay in this division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 So who is out of contract this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Plonk said: So who is out of contract this summer? You inspired me to look: Pudil, Loovens, Wallace and Nuhiu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, gurujuan said: “Reasonably competitive” isn’t really good enough for this league Looking at that team, it would be a struggle to stay in this division Agree, but we have a base to build on and add back in some of the experienced players currently injured; Hooper, Bannan, Lees, Hutchinson, Westwood for example in the spine of the team and looks a whole lot stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, striker said: Completely agree, there are arguably 12 established, presumably high earning players to choose from in my list, some of whom who could be sold to balance to books (if anyone will take them). Butterflied will go back at the end of the season which will save his wage and likely that Winnall will be one sold for £2-3m potentially? Nothing wrong with selling to balance the books, it is something DC is going to have to manage better. I anticipate Winnall, FF (but at a much reduced fee than quoted last year given his injury) will be the most likely sold, can see those out of contract being released and would understand if Swansea came sniffing round Bannan, Lee and Hooper. Swansea wont come for lee he never fit and cant see why we would sell fessi either .hooper is a good player but lucky to get 20 games a season out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: You inspired me to look: Pudil, Loovens, Wallace and Nuhiu. To be honest , id let them all go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: “Reasonably competitive” isn’t really good enough for this league Looking at that team, it would be a struggle to stay in this division No it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan_Pepper Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, cookeh said: Highlights for me that we need a right wing back. Reach can go out left, Bannan into the middle and we have options at centerback until van Aken finds his feet. Right back is where we would benefit the most from a step up in quality right now. Clare was playing right wing back while he was on loan. Got some good reviews while in that position. Obviously a step up since then but he's taller and quicker than his competition in the squad if he does move there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, dan1980 said: Swansea wont come for lee he never fit and cant see why we would sell fessi either .hooper is a good player but lucky to get 20 games a season out of him Lee would not entertain a move to rejoin Carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, striker said: OK, so we have to be mindful of FFP, but it is not all doom and gloom. Below is a reasonably competitive team (acknowledging some weak links) we could field with an average age around 24. Add in some options like Penney (19), Nielson (19), O'Grady (20) as back up. Established players like Palmer (26), Matias (28) and factor in some of the returning players like Lees (27), Bannan (28), Hutchinson (28), Hooper (29) and starts to look a whole lot better. I have not even included the likes of Fletcher, Abdi, Loovens, Pudil, Wallace, Boyd, Jones, Lee, Jones, Butterfield, FF, Nuhiu, or Westood all of whom would contribute towards a significant saving on wages (at least) if needed. Not to advocate that we seek to move them all on, but in truth a good number of these have not been available for long periods over their SWFC careers, so can questions their value v contribution? FFP aside, think we have reason to be optimistic for the future and looking forward to seeing how Jos reshapes this sqaud over the summer. What kind of contract is Venancio on? End of season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobster01 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 hours ago, StudentOwl said: You inspired me to look: Pudil, Loovens, Wallace and Nuhiu. Only Purim should get an extension then if that is true. His experience and character are still valuable for us, even if it is only a year extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookeh Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ever the pessimist said: What kind of contract is Venancio on? End of season? He's on loan here till the end of the season. Contracted to Vitoria until 2021. Edited January 23, 2018 by cookeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, room0035 said: If we had to get rid of all the players we have signed for fees and play with free agents and kids. This is our squad to pick from based on our current squad Goal Westwood (free), Wildsmith/Dawson (Youth) Centre backs Lees (free), Loovens (free), Ogrady/ Neilson/Thorniley (youth) Full backs Palmer/Penney/Baker (Youth) Wingers Boyd (free), Wallace (free), Stobbs (youth) Central midfield Hutch (free), Lee (free), Bannan (free), Clare (youth) Strikers Nuihu (free), Hirst (Youth), Fletcher (free) Fees paid - Hunt, Jones, Aken, Rhodes, Butterfield (Loan fee), Hooper, Joao, Matias, Reach, Pelupesy, Pudil, Fox, Abdi, Forestieri, Venancio (loan fee), Kean I think a team of free and kids might not be a bad thing yes we lose Rhodes, Fessi, Hooper and Reach but with the above frees and youth we should be a mid table team all be it a bit weak in attack and on the wings. No such thing as a free transfer in football. Fletcher and Boyd would be able to negotiate a hefty signing on fee and very good wages with no transfer fee. Its wages more then transfer fees that are a millstone round a clubs neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meggoisgod Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, striker said: OK, so we have to be mindful of FFP, but it is not all doom and gloom. Below is a reasonably competitive team (acknowledging some weak links) we could field with an average age around 24. Add in some options like Penney (19), Nielson (19), O'Grady (20) as back up. Established players like Palmer (26), Matias (28) and factor in some of the returning players like Lees (27), Bannan (28), Hutchinson (28), Hooper (29) and starts to look a whole lot better. I have not even included the likes of Fletcher, Abdi, Loovens, Pudil, Wallace, Boyd, Jones, Lee, Jones, Butterfield, FF, Nuhiu, or Westood all of whom would contribute towards a significant saving on wages (at least) if needed. Not to advocate that we seek to move them all on, but in truth a good number of these have not been available for long periods over their SWFC careers, so can questions their value v contribution? FFP aside, think we have reason to be optimistic for the future and looking forward to seeing how Jos reshapes this sqaud over the summer. arrrhh my fkn eyes!!! Fox at left back...pass me the revolver matron i'm off for a long walk int woods, I may be some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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