Eightace Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rogers said: Francis was world class in his day; stretching it a bit with that reference. Rhodes has succeeded at Huddersfield (mostly in league 1) and Blackburn; he’s flopped at Boro and is (so far). His best games of the season were generally against us. Not really. Goes for most players. They could probably finish at 37 better than at 17 but usually the injuries and fitness get them first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think we have to forget about transfer fees. It's just about getting players in to fit the jigsaw. I'd have found Rhodes an odd signing if he'd only cost £100k to be honest as I think it was obvious he wouldn't fit what Carlos craved from his team. Still. He's ours now. We just have to hope, and that's all we can do, that Jos is the man who can get out of him the one thing in his armoury that most clubs want, scoring goals. Whether he can is another matter. If he can't I'm sure he'll be moved on. We might end up making a huge loss. But that's nothing new to us is it? We've just got to get behind the lad when he plays and hope Jos can do what Carlos was never going to be able too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: I wasn't clearly referencing the fact that King once scored regularly in this league - making te point Rhodes record is in the past to. Madine is not a Marlon King and to tar him with that brush is pathetic really. He made a mistake when he was younger and paid the price. He goes out on that pitch now and fights for 90 minutes to show the world he can play in the championship. If Rhodes showed half the work ethic of the new madine he would be doing a lot better. If I remember correctly he made several MISTAKES all involving publicly beating innocent people. I wonder if you would feel the same if it had been your father/son he had battered while p1ssed. I do not however think he is a bad a character as King.I never said he was. I was just curious to see how low you would stoop to find a goal scorer. But to have either of these stalwarts of society representing our club as role models for our children is an attitude that I do find truly pathetic. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hawkowl said: If I remember correctly he made several MISTAKES all involving publicly beating innocent people. I wonder if you would feel the same if it had been your father/son he had battered while p1ssed. I do not however think he is a bad a character as King.I never said he was. I was just curious to see how low you would stoop to find a goal scorer. But to have either of these stalwarts of society representing our club as role models for our children is an attitude that I do find truly pathetic. FFS. I'm not going to go into the debate you want me to as it will deflect from the main discussion. As things stand in 2018 Gary Madine is a more effective striker in the Chanpionship than Jordan Rhodes. He is for Bolton and he would be for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 39 minutes ago, Sgt Wednesday said: You are obsessed with the transfer fee. Its done, its gone, get over it, treat Rhodes like all the other Strikers at the club. They have been feeding off scraps for 2 seasons, Rhodes hasn't played in an attacking, on form Wednesday team. So until we're attacking and on form, he should be nowhere the starting lineup. In 2018, Jordan Rhodes is a very poor championship striker. Genuinely looking like THE worst signing in our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Rider Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, IstillhateSteveBould said: So until we're attacking and on form, he should be nowhere the starting lineup. In 2018, Jordan Rhodes is a very poor championship striker. Genuinely looking like THE worst signing in our history. Nonsense I’m not having that. I recall Majorie and I seeing him score a great hatrick on an August bank holiday in 1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Has Jordan Rhodes shagged Rockets Mrs or something? Cos this is bordering on obsession now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: I'm not going to go into the debate you want me to as it will deflect from the main discussion. As things stand in 2018 Gary Madine is a more effective striker in the Chanpionship than Jordan Rhodes. He is for Bolton and he would be for us. Ok I agree we are either off topic or you have lost the argument. But remember he has also been disciplined by Bolton for fighting in pubs. Lesson learned. I think not. Nuff said. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The shudder when we were linked with Lee Hughes not so long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Hawkowl said: Ok I agree we are either off topic or you have lost the argument. But remember he has also been disciplined by Bolton for fighting in pubs. Lesson learned. I think not. Nuff said. FFS. I won't have lost this argument pal until Rhodes starts proving his worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, RocketOwl said: I won't have lost this argument pal until Rhodes starts proving his worth. Stop it now. My discussion with you was about Madines Character and is suitability to play for Wednesday. Not what you stated above. FFS Pal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: I won't have lost this argument pal until Rhodes starts proving his worth. Will you start singing that song again when he does? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, vulva said: Will you start singing that song again when he does? Haha....Got to admire your dedication. UTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
109Waddle Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, RocketOwl said: Well does modern day not count with wednesday fans on here? He's on course for 20 in this current championship - not the one 4 years ago. Good knowledge, didn’t realise he’d scored that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 7 hours ago, cookeh said: 1) Rhodes hasn't had much of an opportunity this season (but when he has he's scored). If you look at the games under Carlos this season, Rhodes was mostly used as a substitute. He played over an hour in just 8 games and scored 5 goals in those 8 games. Isn't that exactly the sort of return you'd want from him, that's heading for 30 goals a season if he did it over 46 games. Now that's special pleading at it's finest. With a specially tuned argument not too dissimilar to that I could get Mark Crossley averaging a goal a game (obviously a bit of a joke). As for scoring when he's had the opportunity - that's just patently false. Looks like it's time for this list again... SWFC CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PER GOAL 2017/8 Winnall 136 Hooper 193 (215 not including penalty) Nuhiu 264 Joao 299 Rhodes 322 (430 not including penalty) Lee 335 Fletcher 536 Reach 630 Wallace 846 SOURCE : whoscored.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 And while I'm at it, the same list for last season... SWFC CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PER GOAL 2016/7 Fletcher 220 Forestieri 222 Hooper 241 Winnall 288 Rhodes 457 Lee 479 Sasso 556 Wallace 582 Fox 793 Nuhiu 0 goals in 381 minutes Joao 0 goals in 596 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: And while I'm at it, the same list for last season... SWFC CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PER GOAL 2016/7 Fletcher 220 Forestieri 222 Hooper 241 Winnall 288 Rhodes 457 Lee 479 Sasso 556 Wallace 582 Fox 793 Nuhiu 0 goals in 381 minutes Joao 0 goals in 596 minutes I'm not going to get into another debate. But I really despair at so called Wednesday fans obsessively slagging off our players. From the stats you have put above it means that Fletcher should start before FF or Hooper. Do you really believe that? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 And for a little perspective as to how a couple in particular have been compared and treated by supporters generally, here are the averages for players in their entire time at Wednesday. The statistics are from whoscored.com so I cannot vouch for their accuracy, but nothing shows itself as obviously wrong. SWFC CAREER - CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PER GOAL Hooper 196 Forestieri 223 Winnall 250 Fletcher 273 Matias 331 Rhodes 380 Joao 381 Nuhiu 403 Lee 564 Wallace 601 Reach 858 Abdi 892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hawkowl said: I'm not going to get into another debate. But I really despair at so called Wednesday fans obsessively slagging off our players. From the stats you have put above it means that Fletcher should start before FF or Hooper. Do you really believe that? Absolutely not. I've stated many times (dating back many years actually) that judging strikers purely by goals is foolish, has little context, and can result in endless anomalies like the example you gave. And it seems Fletcher is in rapid decline anyway. However, Rhodes' desperate supporters do use this threat of goals (mainly from three seasons ago and beyond now) as basically his only saving grace. And I have demonstrated clearly that he has failed miserably in that task. Kieran Lee has only just been behind him each of the last two seasons and last year even Sasso would have overtaken him with one more goal. Strange you should give a neg to what is just a list of (apparent) facts, but hey ho. Edited January 22, 2018 by DJMortimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Imo hes still a good player. Had a bad time at Boro because he isn't premier league quality. Then he came here when the team wasnt playing great football like the year before. He didn't get a good run in a good team and he must know fans have been grumbling I don't believe he has lost his ability at his age. A finisher is a finisher till the legs can't carry can you any more. It's more down to confidence imo. And tbh he hasn't played bad apart from missing chances that I'm sure everyone on here could put away. Maybe he's behind hooper and joao, yes we do need pace, but some seem as eager to write him off as others do to give him more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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