Guest Kagoshimaowl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mountain Owl said: Fairly solid first performance against a very tough opponent. Was out muscled with the contentious decision that sky and Colin made a meal of but apart from that he was ok. 1 hour ago, Tamworthowl said: He made a couple of simple mistakes to give possession away, and could easily have cost us a goal. But for a debutant, I'd class it as a good performance aided by Pudil and Fox. I thought Pudil was superb again. Venancio is getting better too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finney on the Wing Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Was really impressed with his display, but he wasn't helped early on by Pudil passing to him early on when he was stuck on the touchline (effectively in the left back spot). If there's no movement up front he's going to have to come back with the passing and could have been caught out early doors but, he got through that well and looked very competent. Looks like we've got three good young centre-backs coming through now, which is promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthowl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Strange how it's suddenly turned round from a choice of an unknown Venancio and a dodgy Pudil and maybe the slow Loovens for centre back to... Solid and improving Venancio, Cool and composed experience of Pudil, Promising Thorniley, Plus O'Grady and Nielson. The new and unknown Pelupessy ...the slow Loovens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Brommers said: So how many first team debuts is that now in 1 week, 4? How many did Carlos offer in 2 1/2 years. No apologist for CC as some of the things that have happened recruitment, tactics and injuries wise will hinder us for some time But I do think CC had a single remit: to get us up by hook or crook, and he obviously doesn't like risking or developing kids whereas Jos who impresses me everytime he speaks with his organisation,discipline, logical and straightforward answers, has a remit to rescue this situation with an almost entire first team out for possibly the rest of the season and even beyond who knows ? He therefore has little option but to turn to our youngsters whilst he tries to wangle some cheap transfers in . Personally I hope we continue to try and blood our kids next season it great to to see whether we will I don't know i think it will depend on the ramification of FFP on further spending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm an Essex Owl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, steelowl said: No apologist for CC as some of the things that have happened recruitment, tactics and injuries wise will hinder us for some time But I do think CC had a single remit: to get us up by hook or crook, and he obviously doesn't like risking or developing kids whereas Jos who impresses me everytime he speaks with his organisation,discipline, logical and straightforward answers, has a remit to rescue this situation with an almost entire first team out for possibly the rest of the season and even beyond who knows ? He therefore has little option but to turn to our youngsters whilst he tries to wangle some cheap transfers in . Personally I hope we continue to try and blood our kids next season it great to to see whether we will I don't know i think it will depend on the ramification of FFP on further spending But isn't this exactly why Carlos ended up a failure and probably why a significant part of the fan base can't forgive him given the absolute mess he left behind (and given the golden opportunity he had but blew). His problem (one of many) was that he got stuck into a single mindset and carried on shoehorning players into the team out of position or half injured or out of form. I don't think CC's single remit of getting us up meant he had to ignore the kids IF they were good enough to be in the team. We probably could have seen from CC's record of 25 clubs in 25 seasons (or whatever it was) that he was not a team builder or likely to blood youth. Given his remit probably was solely to get us up by the 150th anniversary it makes it even more incredible that he was allowed to stay on post the Huddersfield farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Thought he was fine. Bit wobbly at first but he settled after that. Nice to see these young lads getting a chance. Be interesting to see which ones end up getting the nod over the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, I'm an Essex Owl said: But isn't this exactly why Carlos ended up a failure and probably why a significant part of the fan base can't forgive him given the absolute mess he left behind (and given the golden opportunity he had but blew). His problem (one of many) was that he got stuck into a single mindset and carried on shoehorning players into the team out of position or half injured or out of form. I don't think CC's single remit of getting us up meant he had to ignore the kids IF they were good enough to be in the team. We probably could have seen from CC's record of 25 clubs in 25 seasons (or whatever it was) that he was not a team builder or likely to blood youth. Given his remit probably was solely to get us up by the 150th anniversary it makes it even more incredible that he was allowed to stay on post the Huddersfield farce. yup CC has Never built a team he was left with a solid core by Gray and fafaed about buying the wrong players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, steelowl said: yup CC has Never built a team he was left with a solid core by Gray and fafaed about buying the wrong players Tbf we largely added the right players to that spine in the first season... The problem was what came afterward, plus CC's bizarre loyalty to the "Play off" team, meaning nearly everyone else was viewed as a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, SiJ said: Tbf we largely added the right players to that spine in the first season... The problem was what came afterward, plus CC's bizarre loyalty to the "Play off" team, meaning nearly everyone else was viewed as a back up. CC man / squad management was always an issue with me from early on started with the McGugan, FF then Rhodes and poss Winnall publicly hanging players out to dry never works in the long run should be sorted in house I loved his early charisma but now I think he's a blagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, steelowl said: CC man / squad management was always an issue with me from early on started with the McGugan, FF then Rhodes and poss Winnall publicly hanging players out to dry never works in the long run should be sorted in house I loved his early charisma but now I think he's a blagger Perhaps he was. The way he swanned off to er Swansea certainly makes you wonder. Put it this way - he's very much a professional and only looking out for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Why did O Grady and Nielsen start week game but he didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: Why did O Grady and Nielsen start week game but he didn't? He was cup-tied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, royalowlisback said: He was cup-tied. Oh ok. Didn't realise he had been on loan. Is he considered better than the other two then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Daz Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Still clueless as to Jordans contract status. Was initially on a 12 month contract when he signed in 2016, which expired last summer. No word from the club, and even his squad number has changed from 31 to 39. Am assuming the initial article was wrong when he signed, and was actually on a 24 month contract. Anyone any the wiser.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 hours ago, RocketOwl said: Oh ok. Didn't realise he had been on loan. Is he considered better than the other two then? how can anyone answer that ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, daztheowl said: Still clueless as to Jordans contract status. Was initially on a 12 month contract when he signed in 2016, which expired last summer. No word from the club, and even his squad number has changed from 31 to 39. Am assuming the initial article was wrong when he signed, and was actually on a 24 month contract. Anyone any the wiser.? We probably put O’Grady’s name on the team sheet. Used to work in the Sunday League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benitocarbonara Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Beer aided and jumping little to his defence as the majority have just stated face with regards to his first 20 mins and he did look nervous etc but there are very few that wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benitocarbonara Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Fact nit face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benitocarbonara Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Ffs not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, daztheowl said: Still clueless as to Jordans contract status. Was initially on a 12 month contract when he signed in 2016, which expired last summer. No word from the club, and even his squad number has changed from 31 to 39. Am assuming the initial article was wrong when he signed, and was actually on a 24 month contract. Anyone any the wiser.? I think it got extended for another year in the second half of last season but no mention by the club.On the official retained list on the EFL website players under 24 that had been offered a new deal like Clare hd an asterisk next to there name. Thorniley didn't so he must have signed something before the seasons end. All the articles I read said he initially signed a 1 year contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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