flo Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9). We are bobbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said: Oh I know you weren’t fella, just saying that if a businessman sees us as a great opportunity - shorthand for ‘reaching the Prem’, as let’s face it that’s the only way you’ll recoup a multimillion investment at S6 - then we have to take that as a positive endorsement on some level, and a mutually beneficial statement of intent despite differing motives. Agreed his (self-admitted) lack of football experience has caused issues, yeah. I do believe he’s trying to address that though, and genuinely hopes to learn, taking advice until he gets there. It’s who he picks as advisors that’s far more critical. We’re still desperate for some proper oldschool footy brains at the club IMO. Good post that .Not sure what "proper old school foot brains " are though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: 1. Just because we don’t know DC’s plan of action doesn’t mean he hasn’t got one. 2. We had a manager but some wouldn’t accept him 3. The players aren’t exactly old, it’s a myth that somebody pushed and is now a fact. The height thing wasn’t a problem when we were competing at the top of the table, same with the “age” thing. The character of our players is now a negative, wasn’t so long ago when folk were saying how our squad had bags of it. To summarise, we’re lacking in confidence. We weren’t that far off, the negativity is burrowing through this club and it will kill us if it’s not stopped. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop being so kneejerk. Together this club can prosper. Still blaming the fans for Carlos’ sacking then. And it’s usually the managers job to give confidence to the players Out of interest if you were Chansiri when would you have dismissed Carlos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, pioowl said: Good post that .Not sure what "proper old school foot brains " are though? ‘footy’ Some Wilkinson types in the background, basically. Advisors who aren’t primarily businessmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Owls-Fan said: Still blaming the fans for Carlos’ sacking then. And it’s usually the managers job to give confidence to the players Out of interest if you were Chansiri when would you have dismissed Carlos? Not at all. I would have given Carlos to the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls-Fan Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: Not at all. I would have given Carlos to the end of the season. Fair enough, under Carlos’ set up we are now hurtling towards a relegation battle so it’s just interesting to know what fans think is acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Owls-Fan said: Fair enough, under Carlos’ set up we are now hurtling towards a relegation battle so it’s just interesting to know what fans think is acceptable IMO we weren’t far off in the games. Burton was diabolical, I honestly believe that would’ve been a win under Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said: ‘footy’ Some Wilkinson types in the background, basically. Advisors who aren’t primarily businessmen. Sorry,dont know y I missed that. Sounds a reasonable suggestion .A good lawyer who could beat the FFP regs would be a good start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Whatahoot said: I was not suggesting that he should be a lifelong fan. I was suggesting he was looking more like a purely financial opportunist, but unfortunately he is not from the top drawer (and I do not make reference to his overall wealth) more refer to his understanding of this particular business. So despite the lack of any evidence to back it up you think Mr C is a “financial opportunist”. This despite the millions he’s put into Wednesday and all the time he’s spent away from his home and family, you think it’s just an easy way for him to make a quick buck! No wonder Mr C got fed up of the unwarranted criticism and abuse! I wonder if he’s asked Milan Mandaric about the possibility of a refund cos this season isn’t going how he thought it would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, pioowl said: Sorry,dont know y I missed that. Sounds a reasonable suggestion .A good lawyer who could beat the FFP regs would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pioowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. Tom said: Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Key said: So despite the lack of any evidence to back it up you think Mr C is a “financial opportunist”. This despite the millions he’s put into Wednesday and all the time he’s spent away from his home and family, you think it’s just an easy way for him to make a quick buck! No wonder Mr C got fed up of the unwarranted criticism and abuse! I wonder if he’s asked Milan Mandaric about the possibility of a refund cos this season isn’t going how he thought it would! You are not seriously suggesting that our owner took on the job for anything other than financial gain are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Whatahoot said: 1) Our Chairman is, in footballing terms, naive. He appears to have been badly advised (including Doyen) and has now recruiting a questionable CEO, who comes with baggage so to speak.He appears to have no plan of action as to how to run his business or proper priorities to follow. He should be concentrating on putting a strong footballing side together, with a reasonable chance , in the near future, of getting promotion. He should be concentrating on getting a very good head coach/manager through the door.He appears to have given continuity or failure planning no heed whatsover.I'm not sure what his motivation was, when he purchased our club, but I am begining to think he saw an opportunity to make money and took it. I don't think that there is much sentiment attached to the situation.I don't think our Chairman is culturally attached to the city or our fans and does not fully appreciate the importance of the history of the club. 2) We have no Head Coach/Manager as I type. This needs addressing asap. Sheffield Wednesday have only really prospered under a high profile, genuine ,straight talking type, in the style of Harry Catterick, Ron Atkinson, Howard Wilkinson.The job requires a strong character and a wealth of footballing knowledge. Not an up and coming young coach, not a journeyman, not someone with an average win ratio in an average league somewhere.We need someone who recognises that phsicality (height included),youth,pace all play a part in building a team.Someone that recognises that he needs leaders all over the pitch if he is to get promoted. Someone who does not have favourites and over relies on them. Not someone who sees themselves as a "chum" of the team and can motivate all types within the squad.He should have joined up thinking when building his squad and not just buy for the sake of it. A person who recognises what style of play the Hillsborough faithful can get behind and relate to. 3) Our team/squad has major flaws in its make up and weaknesses in its overall cover.We have a general bias towards older players on high earings. We have no pacey and not enough younger players spread through our squad. We have many players of average (or less) height and physical stature than other teams in the championship. We have players who do not have consistancy of performance, strong desire or have poor leadership character.Many are over comfortable and under performing. We have too many players with long standing injury problems that keep re-occuring.Our squad is personality wise "frail" We do have some with good levels of skill, but that is nowhere near enough. We only have 3 problems....but what big problems they are.I can only hope that our new CEO is up to finding the right answers and not compound them. Good luck Sheffield Wednesday going into 2018 The same Charlton fans who question their former CEO told us she had mugged us over Fox transfer. Katy also took Toffees for £8 squillion on some kid whose now sank without trace. Maybe she can offload some of our pensioners on £30,000 per week. As said, she was the sewer not the sewage at Charlton and we certainly need some operator to sort this mess. Her first start could be her Doyen mates to extend Hirsty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, fred mciver said: The same Charlton fans who question their former CEO told us she had mugged us over Fox transfer. Katy also took Toffees for £8 squillion on some kid whose now sank without trace. Maybe she can offload some of our pensioners on £30,000 per week. As said, she was the sewer not the sewage at Charlton and we certainly need some operator to sort this mess. Her first start could be her Doyen mates to extend Hirsty. As I said....I hope she finds the right answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Whatahoot said: As I said....I hope she finds the right answers. Me too , mate, but this could take as long as Fletcher's contract, not just months. It's that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzuki_San Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Only 3 things wrong: No. Poxy. Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Key said: So despite the lack of any evidence to back it up you think Mr C is a “financial opportunist”. This despite the millions he’s put into Wednesday and all the time he’s spent away from his home and family, you think it’s just an easy way for him to make a quick buck! No wonder Mr C got fed up of the unwarranted criticism and abuse! I wonder if he’s asked Milan Mandaric about the possibility of a refund cos this season isn’t going how he thought it would! Just because he has speculated a lot of money ( I'm sure he is comfortable with the amount) does not mean he is not aiming to accumulate when he finally "weighs in" on his gamble. Or are you suggesting he is into us through the goodness of his heart ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, fred mciver said: Me too , mate, but this could take as long as Fletcher's contract, not just months. It's that bad. Yep Fred...these problems go deep imo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bulgaria said: You are not seriously suggesting that our owner took on the job for anything other than financial gain are you? Yes. If all he wanted was ‘financial gain’ there are a lot easier and more secure ways of achieving that. The alternatives don’t bring you unwarranted criticism and abuse either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, fred mciver said: The same Charlton fans who question their former CEO told us she had mugged us over Fox transfer. Katy also took Toffees for £8 squillion on some kid whose now sank without trace. Maybe she can offload some of our pensioners on £30,000 per week. As said, she was the sewer not the sewage at Charlton and we certainly need some operator to sort this mess. Her first start could be her Doyen mates to extend Hirsty. Don't disagree Fred. I think you might have something in your last sentence too. She may be seen as a neutral,new broom,DC's face saver in the Hirst situation. Certainly should be one of her priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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