@owlstalk Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Willow Owl said: You took a snippet and then posted the league table without a quote. I know I did Because that's the part of what you said that I wanted to discuss You don't look like an idiot to anyone I was merely showing the league table to highlight your point and to point out that we had work to do Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I can't get my head around Chansiri. I believe he's an honourable religious soul, but I question his judgement and business acumen. For me Carlos should have gone a year ago, and the delay has put us in this situation on the pitch and league. Carlos was obviously DCs main advisor, which to anyone is a conflict of interest. This was shown in DCs statement on the 24th. I hope DC has since realised that Carlos' reasons for leaving may not have been what he told Chansiri and learned from this. DCs first consideration for a manager seems to have been Steve McLaren, who would be the least popular appointment I can remember. Luckily the press heard about this and us the fans showed DC how this news would be received. Then today he appoints a CEO (which is well overdue), but he picks someone who is disconnected from Sheffield (not even English) and was hated by the majority of her last clubs fans. Its almost like he's trying to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Been a reyt sh*t day hasn't it. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, Whitechapel Owl said: Been a reyt sh*t day hasn't it. YES Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birstall Owl Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Unfortunately as at Cardiff with Tan, Hull with The Allams & Blackburn with The Venkys (and now us) this comment from Kivo rings true "As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition?" Always reminds me of the B*llsh*t Rodeo https://thesunshineroom.com/2013/05/30/bullshit-rodeo/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maldenowl Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, KivoOwl said: First thread in a long while, and I don't apologise for it being a long one. I stopped posting because I've got a very thin skin and get too easily hurt by criticism and abuse that came my way over the last couple of years - not posting has done me good but I am seriously worried for the club we all love so need to get this off my chest. If you think I'm being a smug attention-seeker, so be it. I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone else's. Not going to talk too much about the football as it's already been covered - in the summer of 2016 we all knew that we needed to sign 4 or 5 key players who would push us on to promotion - but in the 18 months since then all we've done is replace one set of back-up players with another set of back-up players - and at great expense. You need 2 good players for each position and we haven't, so an injury crisis has exposed our recruitment policy for the utter shambles it is. We're in a relegation battle, and we'll only stay up if the likes of Hutchinson, Hooper and Lee can retain their fitness. But that's only scratching the surface of what is wrong at the club. Since he took over as chairman, Dejphon Chansiri claims he has invested over £150m into the club, and I think his financial input has blinded many to the appalling decisions he has made. The first season seems to have been a case of 'if you throw enough money at something, you'll do alright'. Sadly, money alone isn't enough. Alarm bells rang when he decided to hike ticket prices up to among the highest in the country. He claimed this was needed to lessen the impact of FFP worries, yet the extra £3m per year we are gaining from the changes (£150 extra for 20,000 season ticket holders - POTG revenue in freefall) has been a drop in the ocean compared to the overall transfer outlay. Still, he got more and more frustrated with questioning about it at fans forums - to the point where talking about ticket prices became a taboo subject. So now we just accept that the prices are what they are and you either pay them or you don't. Next, he changed key components of the club's identity. The club badge was changed to one chose by the chairman, and then the striped shirts were ditched because he liked plain shirts, and then the squad numbers were changed on his say-so. But as long as we were doing alright on the pitch, it didn't matter. "How is our playing record affected by a change of badge? How is a full-back wearing number 9 detrimental to the cause? We've ditched stripes before so it's ok" Nobody dared ask "If these changes are so irrelevant, why make them in the first place". As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition? Then his name was plastered on the North Stand, to replace the SWFC lettering. "It's obvious why he's done it - to alleviate FFP concerns" Does that really mean he had to put his own name on there? Did he have to put his own name on this year's anniversary season tickets alongside legends such as Crawshaw, Spiksley, Wilson, Waddle et al? How many Wednesdayites would think of doing that? I'll not talk about the scare stories we've all heard about how he conducts his business. Although I trust the different people that have told me worrying tales about Chansiri, I accept that without concrete evidence many will say it is at best rumour, and at worst some kind of agenda that I have, and I don't want to get into the sort of trouble that has befallen other Owlstalkers many years ago. It is incredible, but the most worrying part of today, as a Wednesdayite, wasn't the utter humiliation we saw on the pitch. Chansiri admitted on his first day that he knew little about football or football business, and his appointment of Adam Pearson and Glenn Roeder in advisory roles gave us optimism that he was willing to engage the services of people that could help. Pearson was gone with two weeks, Roeder soon after. They were never replaced, and we eventually began an association with Doyen Sports, who just happened to be the agent of the team manager, and Joe Palmer came in as Chief Operating Officer. For the best part of 18 months we have needed someone to bridge the gap between chairman and manager, and someone to help improve our commercial arm. In the Wednesday family alone, we have Milan Mandaric, Lee Strafford and Howard Wilkinson among many who would jump at the chance to help the club. Brian Laws, Terry Burton, Chris Waddle, John Pearson, Alan Smith, Jon Newsome - all would give their right arm to give Chansiri help in areas where we need it. Then think about those without ties to Wednesday who could do just as adequate a job. The key attribute anyone needed to have was an understanding of the English game, and the relationship between club and supporter. Without that understanding (and Chansiri hasn't got it), you're up bobbar creek. Instead, Chansiri has today appointed Katrien Meire as CEO - “I have said for some time that I would only appoint a CEO should the right person fit my specification to lead the structure of Sheffield Wednesday on a day to day basis." Meire is one of the most despised figures at any Football League club, having been a key figure at Charlton Athletic during their catastrophic fall from grace. Quotes from Meire - "I shouldn't say this but I don't care about the history of the club" ".................they do it with a football club and that's very weird because they feel a sense of ownership of a football club...." "fans don't see themselves as customers" "We have done no planning for a relegation" "Our ranking improved after each of the five managerial changes" Personally, I think she'll put her foot in her mouth like she did at Charlton and end up being the new club scapegoat, just as Roeder (recruitment) and Palmer (kits) were. Chansiri will maintain his nice-guy reputation and escape the brunt of the criticism. Even I still think he's a good guy at heart, with good intentions, but being a nice guy didn't help Carlos Carvalhal, and it shouldn't mask the job Chansiri has done so far. The list of baffling decisions and mistakes he has made has grown year on year, yet many still claim that he is learning on the job and that he'll learn from the experience. That might have been an acceptable response after six months, twelve months, even a couple of years. Claiming naivety after three years isn't good enough. I think he's been taken for a ride by many differing parties and hasn't learned from it one iota. Good businessman learn fast. Trawling the footballing world for a CEO and opting for Katrien Meire is the final straw for me - in the past I've been skeptical while holding hope he could change his ways - now I simply think he's unfit to run a football club, or any business, of this size. His next appointment will be our new manager - who believes he will make the right choice? He has said himself that he has spent £150m on this football club - and what does he have to show for it? How can he look at his track record so far and think his tenure has been anything but an abject failure? He has had more than enough time, spent more than enough money, and made more than enough decisions to have made a positive impact on this club, but after all this time we are looking in far worse shape on the pitch than we were under Milan Mandaric and Stuart Gray, which is a damning indictment given our financial position back then. It is time for him to go, and it won't be easy. He claims he had spent £150m, so any prospective buyer would have to pay at least that, which ain't gonna happen. And that's not the biggest problem, because I think Chansiri remains 100% committed to the club and will refuse to budge. I've no idea how we go about escaping the Chansiri era, but while we keep giving him a round of applause as he walks through the club shop, and while we keep our 'Thank You Chansiri' banners around the ground, we won't get anywhere. I cannot agree any more. The appointment today is an absolubte disgrace and I'm embarrassed to be a Wednesday fan. Losing 0-3 at home to Burton is bad but i can live with it as I believe that if we get a no nonsense british manager in then performances and results will turn. But as with you this appointment is the final straw. Away games only for me. d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, GoldGigsChris said: I can't get my head around Chansiri. I believe he's an honourable religious soul, but I question his judgement and business acumen. For me Carlos should have gone a year ago, and the delay has put us in this situation on the pitch and league. Carlos was obviously DCs main advisor, which to anyone is a conflict of interest. This was shown in DCs statement on the 24th. I hope DC has since realised that Carlos' reasons for leaving may not have been what he told Chansiri and learned from this. DCs first consideration for a manager seems to have been Steve McLaren, who would be the least popular appointment I can remember. Luckily the press heard about this and us the fans showed DC how this news would be received. Then today he appoints a CEO (which is well overdue), but he picks someone who is disconnected from Sheffield (not even English) and was hated by the majority of her last clubs fans. Its almost like he's trying to fail. why is it obvious that carlos was the main advisor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Birstall Owl said: Unfortunately as at Cardiff with Tan, Hull with The Allams & Blackburn with The Venkys (and now us) this comment from Kivo rings true "As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition?" Always reminds me of the B*llsh*t Rodeo https://thesunshineroom.com/2013/05/30/bullshit-rodeo/ Been saying this to my Barnsley colleagues since their takeover. Be wary as realistically why would they choose Barnsley!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 @ Taximark Re your comment 'why aren't I on Bladesmad'....I haven't been on that site for months but, lets just say I was on there every day, what difference does it make?...it's a free country, I've given reasons for posting on there many times in response to those that don't get it, it seems to upset you, also using it as a first dig any time you reply to what I've posted.....disagree with me all you want & we'll talk/debate or whatever but this Bladesmad thing you've got about me is irrelevant to just about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, torryowl said: why is it obvious that carlos was the main advisor ? You really don't like anybody questioning or dare say anything about Carlos do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, modboy said: Been saying this to my Barnsley colleagues since their takeover. Be wary as realistically why would they choose Barnsley!? Maybe they think that kestrels still alive and want to see it in the flesh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, GoldGigsChris said: I can't get my head around Chansiri. I believe he's an honourable religious soul, but I question his judgement and business acumen. For me Carlos should have gone a year ago, and the delay has put us in this situation on the pitch and league. Carlos was obviously DCs main advisor, which to anyone is a conflict of interest. This was shown in DCs statement on the 24th. I hope DC has since realised that Carlos' reasons for leaving may not have been what he told Chansiri and learned from this. DCs first consideration for a manager seems to have been Steve McLaren, who would be the least popular appointment I can remember. Luckily the press heard about this and us the fans showed DC how this news would be received. Then today he appoints a CEO (which is well overdue), but he picks someone who is disconnected from Sheffield (not even English) and was hated by the majority of her last clubs fans. Its almost like he's trying to fail. Why does a CEO have to be connected with Sheffield?...."not even English"...come on, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, Johnny Concrete said: You really don't like anybody questioning or dare say anything about Carlos do you? I thought he was crap so your way off beam ......but I fail to see how he was chansiri's main advisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3mps Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It's a weird one, call me naive, but if Carlos hadn't lost the dressing room and if we hadn't had as many injuries ( not sure how many are related to the first point ) then I'm almost certain we wouldn't be in this position and chansiri wouldn't be receiving as much backlash as he is. I don't think he's perfect and I doubt there are many clubs out there which are perfectly happy, but I think on the whole he's trying to do the right thing The latest CEO appointment makes me nervous but I'm not about to have a meltdown just yet, I'm sure the correct thing to do is at least give her a chance, imagine how many times over the years we have listened to stories / opinions / judged, before we actually gave it chance only to be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Concrete Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, torryowl said: I thought he was crap so your way off beam ......but I fail to see how he was chansiri's main advisor He was Chansiri's main advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, qantas said: Why does a CEO have to be connected with Sheffield?...."not even English"...come on, really? As an animal sample, from Charlatans experience, she doesn't even understand the relationship between a club and customer. Youre not going to change into a Blade if they do better than us, but she doesn't understand that. Sorry if I offend you as an Aussie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I know I did Because that's the part of what you said that I wanted to discuss You don't look like an idiot to anyone I was merely showing the league table to highlight your point and to point out that we had work to do Thanks for clearing that up, Wasn't trying to be an arse. Been a long day and not had enough Strongbow (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, Johnny Concrete said: He was Chansiri's main advisor. Main advisor about what?...everything?........lets say he was, how do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Willow Owl said: Thanks for clearing that up, Wasn't trying to be an arse. Been a long day and not had enough Strongbow (yet). ha ha no problem at all mate and I know what you mean and I've not even got any alcohol in the house to turn to.. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, GoldGigsChris said: As an animal sample, from Charlatans experience, she doesn't even understand the relationship between a club and customer. Youre not going to change into a Blade if they do better than us, but she doesn't understand that. Sorry if I offend you as an Aussie. I'm not an Aussie, I'm Sheffield born & bred. So to be an effective CEO for us you have to be connected to Sheffield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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