The final straw

[Mac_77]

I said this in the match day thread and I’ll say it again.

 

This ‘dream’ has been built on poor foundations, throw money at it and reap the rewards in the Prem within 2/3 years.

 

It hasn’t worked and now we are left with remains.

 

Things needed to change at Wednesday but the kit and the badge weren’t one of those things.

 

God only knows what will happen next 

Edited January 1, 2018 by Mac_77

[steveger]

Here we go again, Mr Chansiri, do yourself a favour, walk away now, sell up as you will never be accepted by a minority 

[airborne_rat_of_s6]

12 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

You list all that though Kivo, yet those aren't even the worst thing he's done for us. 

 

You know what that was?

 

He gave us hope.

Yep-another false dawn. Easy to see why a lot of people are sick of it all.

[Ever the pessimist]

7 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

Surely part of the buck lies with Mandaric? May be an unpopular opinion but if he knew Chansiri had no football knowledge etc did he really think the sale was in the best interests of the club? 

 

Mandaric’s prime, perhaps only, concern was getting paid. This idea he was some kind of benefactor with interests in the club’s wellbeing after parting company has always made me laugh. 

 

[Dronfield Blue]

37 minutes ago, KivoOwl said:

First thread in a long while, and I don't apologise for it being a long one. I stopped posting because I've got a very thin skin and get too easily hurt by criticism and abuse that came my way over the last couple of years - not posting has done me good but I am seriously worried for the club we all love so need to get this off my chest. If you think I'm being a smug attention-seeker, so be it. I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone else's.

 

Not going to talk too much about the football as it's already been covered - in the summer of 2016 we all knew that we needed to sign 4 or 5 key players who would push us on to promotion - but in the 18 months since then all we've done is replace one set of back-up players with another set of back-up players - and at great expense. You need 2 good players for each position and we haven't, so an injury crisis has exposed our recruitment policy for the utter shambles it is. We're in a relegation battle, and we'll only stay up if the likes of Hutchinson, Hooper and Lee can retain their fitness.

 

But that's only scratching the surface of what is wrong at the club.

 

Since he took over as chairman, Dejphon Chansiri claims he has invested over £150m into the club, and I think his financial input has blinded many to the appalling decisions he has made. The first season seems to have been a case of 'if you throw enough money at something, you'll do alright'. Sadly, money alone isn't enough.

 

Alarm bells rang when he decided to hike ticket prices up to among the highest in the country. He claimed this was needed to lessen the impact of FFP worries, yet the extra £3m per year we are gaining from the changes (£150 extra for 20,000 season ticket holders - POTG revenue in freefall) has been a drop in the ocean compared to the overall transfer outlay. Still, he got more and more frustrated with questioning about it at fans forums - to the point where talking about ticket prices became a taboo subject. So now we just accept that the prices are what they are and you either pay them or you don't.

 

Next, he changed key components of the club's identity. The club badge was changed to one chose by the chairman, and then the striped shirts were ditched because he liked plain shirts, and then the squad numbers were changed on his say-so. But as long as we were doing alright on the pitch, it didn't matter. "How is our playing record affected by a change of badge? How is a full-back wearing number 9 detrimental to the cause? We've ditched stripes before so it's ok" Nobody dared ask "If these changes are so irrelevant, why make them in the first place". As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition?

 

Then his name was plastered on the North Stand, to replace the SWFC lettering. "It's obvious why he's done it - to alleviate FFP concerns" Does that really mean he had to put his own name on there? Did he have to put his own name on this year's anniversary season tickets alongside legends such as Crawshaw, Spiksley, Wilson, Waddle et al? How many Wednesdayites would think of doing that? I'll not talk about the scare stories we've all heard about how he conducts his business. Although I trust the different people that have told me worrying tales about Chansiri, I accept that without concrete evidence many will say it is at best rumour, and at worst some kind of agenda that I have, and I don't want to get into the sort of trouble that has befallen other Owlstalkers many years ago.

 

It is incredible, but the most worrying part of today, as a Wednesdayite, wasn't the utter humiliation we saw on the pitch.

 

Chansiri admitted on his first day that he knew little about football or football business, and his appointment of Adam Pearson and Glenn Roeder in advisory roles gave us optimism that he was willing to engage the services of people that could help. Pearson was gone with two weeks, Roeder soon after. They were never replaced, and we eventually began an association with Doyen Sports, who just happened to be the agent of the team manager, and Joe Palmer came in as Chief Operating Officer.

 

For the best part of 18 months we have needed someone to bridge the gap between chairman and manager, and someone to help improve our commercial arm. In the Wednesday family alone, we have Milan Mandaric, Lee Strafford and Howard Wilkinson among many who would jump at the chance to help the club. Brian Laws, Terry Burton, Chris Waddle, John Pearson, Alan Smith, Jon Newsome - all would give their right arm to give Chansiri help in areas where we need it. Then think about those without ties to Wednesday who could do just as adequate a job. The key attribute anyone needed to have was an understanding of the English game, and the relationship between club and supporter. Without that understanding (and Chansiri hasn't got it), you're up bobbar creek.

 

Instead, Chansiri has today appointed Katrien Meire as CEO - “I have said for some time that I would only appoint a CEO should the right person fit my specification to lead the structure of Sheffield Wednesday on a day to day basis."

Meire is one of the most despised figures at any Football League club, having been a key figure at Charlton Athletic during their catastrophic fall from grace. Quotes from Meire  -

 

• "I shouldn't say this but I don't care about the history of the club"
• ".................they do it with a football club and that's very weird because they feel a sense of ownership of a football club...."
• "fans don't see themselves as customers"
• "We have done no planning for a relegation"
• "Our ranking improved after each of the five managerial changes"

 

Personally, I think she'll put her foot in her mouth like she did at Charlton and end up being the new club scapegoat, just as Roeder (recruitment) and Palmer (kits) were. Chansiri will maintain his nice-guy reputation and escape the brunt of the criticism. Even I still think he's a good guy at heart, with good intentions, but being a nice guy didn't help Carlos Carvalhal, and it shouldn't mask the job Chansiri has done so far.

 

The list of baffling decisions and mistakes he has made has grown year on year, yet many still claim that he is learning on the job and that he'll learn from the experience. That might have been an acceptable response after six months, twelve months, even a couple of years. Claiming naivety after three years isn't good enough. I think he's been taken for a ride by many differing parties and hasn't learned from it one iota. Good businessman learn fast. Trawling the footballing world for a CEO and opting for Katrien Meire is the final straw for me - in the past I've been skeptical while holding hope he could change his ways - now I simply think he's unfit to run a football club, or any business, of this size. His next appointment will be our new manager - who believes he will make the right choice?

He has said himself that he has spent £150m on this football club - and what does he have to show for it? How can he look at his track record so far and think his tenure has been anything but an abject failure? He has had more than enough time, spent more than enough money, and made more than enough decisions to have made a positive impact on this club, but after all this time we are looking in far worse shape on the pitch than we were under Milan Mandaric and Stuart Gray, which is a damning indictment given our financial position back then.

 

It is time for him to go, and it won't be easy. He claims he had spent £150m, so any prospective buyer would have to pay at least that, which ain't gonna happen. And that's not the biggest problem, because I think Chansiri remains 100% committed to the club and will refuse to budge. I've no idea how we go about escaping the Chansiri era, but while we keep giving him a round of applause as he walks through the club shop, and while we keep our 'Thank You Chansiri' banners around the ground, we won't get anywhere.

 

Some great points in there Kivo.

 

DC is the chairman and owner and he will do what he feels is the right thing for the club and his investment. Whatever we think, we are, for now, just spectators.

 

Oh and paying customers, no customers, no business MR C.

[james o connor]

5 minutes ago, steveger said:

Here we go again, Mr Chansiri, do yourself a favour, walk away now, sell up as you will never be accepted by a minority 

Usually I agree with most of what you say but surely you can’t be happy with the way the club is being run ? 

[steveger]

Just now, james o connor said:

Usually I agree with most of what you say but surely you can’t be happy with the way the club is being run ? 

In my opinion I'm really unhappy with a huge chunk of MR C's schemes and ideas, but i still think the guy will learn from his mistakes, maybe it's just hope and desperation, the guy has put his money where his mouth is, he has spent a fortune on players, rightly or wrongly, the likes we have never seen before at our club in years, he picked the wrong head coach IMO to start with, I just don't want to see us go back to where we was a short while ago when i actually went to matches, yeah we had the odd good time but the majority was stale and depressing, i believe we have to give this woman a chance and we have to hope that someone decent is whispering in MR C's ear who to pursue as manager (not anyone from Doyen either), i still feel MR C can do this, obviously not this year (thanks Carlos), we cant afford to self destruct now and have petty fan civil wars, i feel if we drive this guy away we shall regret it big time......

 

 

[james o connor]

1 minute ago, steveger said:

In my opinion I'm really unhappy with a huge chunk of MR C's schemes and ideas, but i still think the guy will learn from his mistakes, maybe it's just hope and desperation, the guy has put his money where his mouth is, he has spent a fortune on players, rightly or wrongly, the likes we have never seen before at our club in years, he picked the wrong head coach IMO to start with, I just don't want to see us go back to where we was a short while ago when i actually went to matches, yeah we had the odd good time but the majority was stale and depressing, i believe we have to give this woman a chance and we have to hope that someone decent is whispering in MR C's ear who to pursue as manager (not anyone from Doyen either), i still feel MR C can do this, obviously not this year (thanks Carlos), we cant afford to self destruct now and have petty fan civil wars, i feel if we drive this guy away we shall regret it big time......

 

 

I don’t want him driven away , although I have major doubts about him . 

 

Id like him to hold his hands up and say that’s it going to be put  right . The clubs in a mess and it needs sorting sharpish . I really hope dc is the man to do it , it remains to be seen if that’s the case however 

[Steelman]

55 minutes ago, KivoOwl said:

First thread in a long while, and I don't apologise for it being a long one. I stopped posting because I've got a very thin skin and get too easily hurt by criticism and abuse that came my way over the last couple of years - not posting has done me good but I am seriously worried for the club we all love so need to get this off my chest. If you think I'm being a smug attention-seeker, so be it. I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone else's.

 

Not going to talk too much about the football as it's already been covered - in the summer of 2016 we all knew that we needed to sign 4 or 5 key players who would push us on to promotion - but in the 18 months since then all we've done is replace one set of back-up players with another set of back-up players - and at great expense. You need 2 good players for each position and we haven't, so an injury crisis has exposed our recruitment policy for the utter shambles it is. We're in a relegation battle, and we'll only stay up if the likes of Hutchinson, Hooper and Lee can retain their fitness.

 

But that's only scratching the surface of what is wrong at the club.

 

Since he took over as chairman, Dejphon Chansiri claims he has invested over £150m into the club, and I think his financial input has blinded many to the appalling decisions he has made. The first season seems to have been a case of 'if you throw enough money at something, you'll do alright'. Sadly, money alone isn't enough.

 

Alarm bells rang when he decided to hike ticket prices up to among the highest in the country. He claimed this was needed to lessen the impact of FFP worries, yet the extra £3m per year we are gaining from the changes (£150 extra for 20,000 season ticket holders - POTG revenue in freefall) has been a drop in the ocean compared to the overall transfer outlay. Still, he got more and more frustrated with questioning about it at fans forums - to the point where talking about ticket prices became a taboo subject. So now we just accept that the prices are what they are and you either pay them or you don't.

 

Next, he changed key components of the club's identity. The club badge was changed to one chose by the chairman, and then the striped shirts were ditched because he liked plain shirts, and then the squad numbers were changed on his say-so. But as long as we were doing alright on the pitch, it didn't matter. "How is our playing record affected by a change of badge? How is a full-back wearing number 9 detrimental to the cause? We've ditched stripes before so it's ok" Nobody dared ask "If these changes are so irrelevant, why make them in the first place". As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition?

 

Then his name was plastered on the North Stand, to replace the SWFC lettering. "It's obvious why he's done it - to alleviate FFP concerns" Does that really mean he had to put his own name on there? Did he have to put his own name on this year's anniversary season tickets alongside legends such as Crawshaw, Spiksley, Wilson, Waddle et al? How many Wednesdayites would think of doing that? I'll not talk about the scare stories we've all heard about how he conducts his business. Although I trust the different people that have told me worrying tales about Chansiri, I accept that without concrete evidence many will say it is at best rumour, and at worst some kind of agenda that I have, and I don't want to get into the sort of trouble that has befallen other Owlstalkers many years ago.

 

It is incredible, but the most worrying part of today, as a Wednesdayite, wasn't the utter humiliation we saw on the pitch.

 

Chansiri admitted on his first day that he knew little about football or football business, and his appointment of Adam Pearson and Glenn Roeder in advisory roles gave us optimism that he was willing to engage the services of people that could help. Pearson was gone with two weeks, Roeder soon after. They were never replaced, and we eventually began an association with Doyen Sports, who just happened to be the agent of the team manager, and Joe Palmer came in as Chief Operating Officer.

 

For the best part of 18 months we have needed someone to bridge the gap between chairman and manager, and someone to help improve our commercial arm. In the Wednesday family alone, we have Milan Mandaric, Lee Strafford and Howard Wilkinson among many who would jump at the chance to help the club. Brian Laws, Terry Burton, Chris Waddle, John Pearson, Alan Smith, Jon Newsome - all would give their right arm to give Chansiri help in areas where we need it. Then think about those without ties to Wednesday who could do just as adequate a job. The key attribute anyone needed to have was an understanding of the English game, and the relationship between club and supporter. Without that understanding (and Chansiri hasn't got it), you're up bobbar creek.

 

Instead, Chansiri has today appointed Katrien Meire as CEO - “I have said for some time that I would only appoint a CEO should the right person fit my specification to lead the structure of Sheffield Wednesday on a day to day basis."

Meire is one of the most despised figures at any Football League club, having been a key figure at Charlton Athletic during their catastrophic fall from grace. Quotes from Meire  -

 

• "I shouldn't say this but I don't care about the history of the club"
• ".................they do it with a football club and that's very weird because they feel a sense of ownership of a football club...."
• "fans don't see themselves as customers"
• "We have done no planning for a relegation"
• "Our ranking improved after each of the five managerial changes"

 

Personally, I think she'll put her foot in her mouth like she did at Charlton and end up being the new club scapegoat, just as Roeder (recruitment) and Palmer (kits) were. Chansiri will maintain his nice-guy reputation and escape the brunt of the criticism. Even I still think he's a good guy at heart, with good intentions, but being a nice guy didn't help Carlos Carvalhal, and it shouldn't mask the job Chansiri has done so far.

 

The list of baffling decisions and mistakes he has made has grown year on year, yet many still claim that he is learning on the job and that he'll learn from the experience. That might have been an acceptable response after six months, twelve months, even a couple of years. Claiming naivety after three years isn't good enough. I think he's been taken for a ride by many differing parties and hasn't learned from it one iota. Good businessman learn fast. Trawling the footballing world for a CEO and opting for Katrien Meire is the final straw for me - in the past I've been skeptical while holding hope he could change his ways - now I simply think he's unfit to run a football club, or any business, of this size. His next appointment will be our new manager - who believes he will make the right choice?

He has said himself that he has spent £150m on this football club - and what does he have to show for it? How can he look at his track record so far and think his tenure has been anything but an abject failure? He has had more than enough time, spent more than enough money, and made more than enough decisions to have made a positive impact on this club, but after all this time we are looking in far worse shape on the pitch than we were under Milan Mandaric and Stuart Gray, which is a damning indictment given our financial position back then.

 

It is time for him to go, and it won't be easy. He claims he had spent £1500m, so any prospective buyer would have to pay at least that, which ain't gonna happen. And that's not the biggest problem, because I think Chansiri remains 100% committed to the club and will refuse to budge. I've no idea how we go about escaping the Chansiri era, but while we keep giving him a round of applause as he walks through the club shop, and while we keep our 'Thank You Chansiri' banners around the ground, we won't get anywhere.

Couldn't have put it better myself. That Chansiri banner on the kop wants ripping down and setting fire to. The sooner he leaves the club the better.

[Fuzzy logics]

To be honest, DC has only been a problem this season once performances on the pitch have declined.

 

I don't agree with everything DC has done and there have been some glaring errors but how many were calling for his head last year? Or the year before? 

 

This is the first time he has seriously been under pressure, I'll reserve my judgement until I see how he handles the current situation.

 

 

 

[pussface]

It might be the darkest before the dawn and all that $hit, but I’m just about done.

 

Venkeys, Tan, Hicks/Gillett, Youeng etc etc.

 

When will we ever learn?

[axolotl]

I can only hope - perhaps naively - that Chansiri is so f'ked off by his money having been wasted, he's changing tact to a ruthless approach, hence the appointment of what can best be described as a ruthless CEO. Now I don't mean (and certainly don't hope) that he means to start asset stripping or selling to recoup funds before turning the tap off, but rather no longer tolerating the shambles we are seeing. Perhaps he realises he is out of his depth and has been taken for a ride, and is hoping a thick-skinned, hard-nosed CEO can correct our course. Maybe this means selling off some of the worst performers in the team, and if it does - good!

 

I genuinely think he does care, and maybe feels burned by what happened with CC (leaving for Swansea) and is finding a steely resolve to ensure mistakes (even if they are his) are not repeated. Perhaps it also means further changes to the running of the club, and maybe more new people being brought it - football people with experience - to replace the shysters and charlatans that have been taking the proverbial thus far (Doyen. In case that wasn't obvious)

 

His statement, I don't think, wasn't one of someone looking to pack up, recoup what he can, and leave. If that was his intention, he'd just do it. The statement, no matter how badly written it and I'll advised it may have been, seemed like someone who does care, is hurting, and has been, or is doing, some soul searching, and may not be liking the answers, especially if he is a proud man.

 

I fully understand the reservations and would never criticise them. I'm just living in hope that my own interpretation is nearer the mark. And not for a "I told you so", but because it's the best outcome for the club.

Edited January 1, 2018 by axolotl

[Mollymae's Dad]

The only good think to come out of today was that I didn’t waste the best part of £100 taking my family to the game

Edited January 1, 2018 by Mollymae's Dad

[Waddlesdiamondlights]

58 minutes ago, KivoOwl said:

First thread in a long while, and I don't apologise for it being a long one. I stopped posting because I've got a very thin skin and get too easily hurt by criticism and abuse that came my way over the last couple of years - not posting has done me good but I am seriously worried for the club we all love so need to get this off my chest. If you think I'm being a smug attention-seeker, so be it. I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone else's.

 

Not going to talk too much about the football as it's already been covered - in the summer of 2016 we all knew that we needed to sign 4 or 5 key players who would push us on to promotion - but in the 18 months since then all we've done is replace one set of back-up players with another set of back-up players - and at great expense. You need 2 good players for each position and we haven't, so an injury crisis has exposed our recruitment policy for the utter shambles it is. We're in a relegation battle, and we'll only stay up if the likes of Hutchinson, Hooper and Lee can retain their fitness.

 

But that's only scratching the surface of what is wrong at the club.

 

Since he took over as chairman, Dejphon Chansiri claims he has invested over £150m into the club, and I think his financial input has blinded many to the appalling decisions he has made. The first season seems to have been a case of 'if you throw enough money at something, you'll do alright'. Sadly, money alone isn't enough.

 

Alarm bells rang when he decided to hike ticket prices up to among the highest in the country. He claimed this was needed to lessen the impact of FFP worries, yet the extra £3m per year we are gaining from the changes (£150 extra for 20,000 season ticket holders - POTG revenue in freefall) has been a drop in the ocean compared to the overall transfer outlay. Still, he got more and more frustrated with questioning about it at fans forums - to the point where talking about ticket prices became a taboo subject. So now we just accept that the prices are what they are and you either pay them or you don't.

 

Next, he changed key components of the club's identity. The club badge was changed to one chose by the chairman, and then the striped shirts were ditched because he liked plain shirts, and then the squad numbers were changed on his say-so. But as long as we were doing alright on the pitch, it didn't matter. "How is our playing record affected by a change of badge? How is a full-back wearing number 9 detrimental to the cause? We've ditched stripes before so it's ok" Nobody dared ask "If these changes are so irrelevant, why make them in the first place". As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition?

 

Then his name was plastered on the North Stand, to replace the SWFC lettering. "It's obvious why he's done it - to alleviate FFP concerns" Does that really mean he had to put his own name on there? Did he have to put his own name on this year's anniversary season tickets alongside legends such as Crawshaw, Spiksley, Wilson, Waddle et al? How many Wednesdayites would think of doing that? I'll not talk about the scare stories we've all heard about how he conducts his business. Although I trust the different people that have told me worrying tales about Chansiri, I accept that without concrete evidence many will say it is at best rumour, and at worst some kind of agenda that I have, and I don't want to get into the sort of trouble that has befallen other Owlstalkers many years ago.

 

It is incredible, but the most worrying part of today, as a Wednesdayite, wasn't the utter humiliation we saw on the pitch.

 

Chansiri admitted on his first day that he knew little about football or football business, and his appointment of Adam Pearson and Glenn Roeder in advisory roles gave us optimism that he was willing to engage the services of people that could help. Pearson was gone with two weeks, Roeder soon after. They were never replaced, and we eventually began an association with Doyen Sports, who just happened to be the agent of the team manager, and Joe Palmer came in as Chief Operating Officer.

 

For the best part of 18 months we have needed someone to bridge the gap between chairman and manager, and someone to help improve our commercial arm. In the Wednesday family alone, we have Milan Mandaric, Lee Strafford and Howard Wilkinson among many who would jump at the chance to help the club. Brian Laws, Terry Burton, Chris Waddle, John Pearson, Alan Smith, Jon Newsome - all would give their right arm to give Chansiri help in areas where we need it. Then think about those without ties to Wednesday who could do just as adequate a job. The key attribute anyone needed to have was an understanding of the English game, and the relationship between club and supporter. Without that understanding (and Chansiri hasn't got it), you're up bobbar creek.

 

Instead, Chansiri has today appointed Katrien Meire as CEO - “I have said for some time that I would only appoint a CEO should the right person fit my specification to lead the structure of Sheffield Wednesday on a day to day basis."

Meire is one of the most despised figures at any Football League club, having been a key figure at Charlton Athletic during their catastrophic fall from grace. Quotes from Meire  -

 

• "I shouldn't say this but I don't care about the history of the club"
• ".................they do it with a football club and that's very weird because they feel a sense of ownership of a football club...."
• "fans don't see themselves as customers"
• "We have done no planning for a relegation"
• "Our ranking improved after each of the five managerial changes"

 

Personally, I think she'll put her foot in her mouth like she did at Charlton and end up being the new club scapegoat, just as Roeder (recruitment) and Palmer (kits) were. Chansiri will maintain his nice-guy reputation and escape the brunt of the criticism. Even I still think he's a good guy at heart, with good intentions, but being a nice guy didn't help Carlos Carvalhal, and it shouldn't mask the job Chansiri has done so far.

 

The list of baffling decisions and mistakes he has made has grown year on year, yet many still claim that he is learning on the job and that he'll learn from the experience. That might have been an acceptable response after six months, twelve months, even a couple of years. Claiming naivety after three years isn't good enough. I think he's been taken for a ride by many differing parties and hasn't learned from it one iota. Good businessman learn fast. Trawling the footballing world for a CEO and opting for Katrien Meire is the final straw for me - in the past I've been skeptical while holding hope he could change his ways - now I simply think he's unfit to run a football club, or any business, of this size. His next appointment will be our new manager - who believes he will make the right choice?

He has said himself that he has spent £150m on this football club - and what does he have to show for it? How can he look at his track record so far and think his tenure has been anything but an abject failure? He has had more than enough time, spent more than enough money, and made more than enough decisions to have made a positive impact on this club, but after all this time we are looking in far worse shape on the pitch than we were under Milan Mandaric and Stuart Gray, which is a damning indictment given our financial position back then.

 

It is time for him to go, and it won't be easy. He claims he had spent £150m, so any prospective buyer would have to pay at least that, which ain't gonna happen. And that's not the biggest problem, because I think Chansiri remains 100% committed to the club and will refuse to budge. I've no idea how we go about escaping the Chansiri era, but while we keep giving him a round of applause as he walks through the club shop, and while we keep our 'Thank You Chansiri' banners around the ground, we won't get anywhere.

As I've said before he can quote 150 million as much as he wants if he's too stubborn to take advice don't blame the fans.He could have saved a fortune with the right people helping him so its hardly our fault .

[Bladeor]

I said a few weeks back I think it's sad how these mega rich just stroll in and destroy a football club like a battered toy. The way your history has been disrespected is a complete joke. 

[steveger]

One thing i do not agree with is the whole blame the fans culture that Carlos started and we have sadly seemed to have seen all around our club at all levels lately..... 

Edited January 1, 2018 by steveger

[jonnyowl]

I'll be honest, the shirts, the badge the name on the north stand, the ticket prices don't bother me, I have a season ticket and I'm lucky enough to be able to afford one.

 

What does bother me though are the amount of money spent on players that have underperformed or not being used; Abdi, Rhodes, Winall, Matias, Joao; this is down to poor recruitment and poor management.

 

The number of injuries and fitness is a concern, we allow Carlos a new fitness team in and the injuries and fitness are alot worse.

 

The biggest concern I have though is this new CEO. If your employing someone to run a company on a high wage you do your research on them. Surley Chansiri new about her time at Charlton, Surley he knew about what happened their and her comments that clearly angered the fans and despite all this he decides to employ her, what does that say about the chairmen! It also worries me over who will now pick the new manager after she employed 5 at Charlton.

 

Having said all that if we were in top two or in the premier league we wouldn't be complaining about half of this stuff and Chansiri would be revered as a god!

[Groundhopping Owl]

2018 is one day old and we’ve got a Post of the Year contender - I agree with every word.

 

As with Kivo, long post alert;

 

I think DC is a fundamentally good person and wants the best for the club - but he has never properly compensated for his own inexperience. The personnel he recruited with footballing knowhow all quickly left at the end of that first summer and as a result we’ve been left with naive and misguided leadership ever since. The difference between that first summer and ever since has been telling - that first summer brought us Forestieri, Hooper, Hunt, Bannan, plus Pudil and Wallace who were very good in Carlos’ first season, a really positive atmosphere around the place as results rolled in and Wembley beckoned. DC’s tinkering impulses were nowhere to be seen - the badge, kit and squad numbers were just how we like them.

 

Ever since then, Chansiri seems to have fallen under the spell of Doyen and our recruitment over last season and this year has been atrocious as a result. Glaring deficiencies have been ignored while bang average squad players were recruited to sit on the bench and command huge wages. Meanwhile he’s messed around with the club’s identity and discovered to his cost that fans have a very low tolerance for that sort of thing.

 

I think he’s fundamentally misjudged football fans in general. That last statement is basically him coming to terms with the fact that football fans are fickle - well being brutally honest, yes we are. Yes, we care about even the slightest alterations to seemingly meaningless symbols like the kit and the badge. Yes, many of us went from praising Carlos to saying he had to go over a very short period of time. And perhaps most importantly - yes, many of us were too eager to sing DC’s praises when he was pouring money in and ignore his missteps, giving him a sense he could do not wrong and making it all the more impactful now that the fans have turned on him. Hailing from a Thai culture that heavily emphasises respect and civility (which is no bad thing, before I’m jumped on), he probably can’t fathom how football fans can suddenly turn so nasty, so quickly.

 

It seems to me that he’s reckoned with the above and decided to detach himself from the club to avoid the heartache and abuse. But leaving us to our fate with Katrien Meire may well prove absolutely disastrous. I really worry about the trajectory the club is on - it’s important to remember that there are far worse owners out there than DC (Blackpool, Coventry and yep, Charlton fans can all attest to that), but if DC’s dream has indeed soured and he wants out, who’s hands are we going to end up in? 

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Excellent post kivo, nice to see back. I see the usual site bullies are out in force as well in this thread. 

 

Agree with everything you say. Very worrying times ahead for our club. Slowly but surely Mr Chansiri is going to kill us off. We were all convinced he wasn’t another Vincent Tan and some fans accepted the changes made and brushed them off like it didn’t matter. I’m sorry Mr Chansiri but we’re sheffield Wednesday, we play in blue and white stripes, our logo is OUR logo and is unique as the name is. 

 

Then he hires this woman. As you say, the last straw. He hasn’t got a scooby and the sooner he accepts the errors of his ways and changes or clears off the better

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35 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Not sure it calls for that kind of response to be fair mate

 

I just can't get my head round how certain people with no experience what so ever of running a business can state he's effectively out of his depth at SWFC.

I just think were becoming self defeating and looking for the worse in everything and I cant get my head around it.