Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Willow Owl said: The thing is he is the one who has invested millions. Please expand on how you would do better than someone who has amassed a personal fortune and what is the alternative? What does amassing mean - earning it or being given it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, rickygoo said: What does amassing mean - earning it or being given it? What evidence is there to say he has been given it, and that wasn't the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastSleepingGiant Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Great opening post and summarises my thoughts exactly. I’ve had concerns for some time about the Chairman and the whole regime. I was unfortunate enough to attend some of the corporate events when this all started and the Chairman’s arrogance coupled with lack of understanding terrified the life out of me. Since then key staff have left (proper wednesdayites and proper Sheffield people) and all the noises are it just isn’t right. This latest appointment almost is the perfect fit. Another clueless none football person who does things her way without advice or compromise. Breaks my heart when you have accounts like Football Away Days tweeting negatively about our club and latest appointment. How it ends who knows, we might get lucky, win promotion and he sells on for profit. Looks a distant dream at the moment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladeor Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 20 hours ago, Ian said: I don't need to debate it,,,.,what I posted was a fact I see. Close the thread mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Willow Owl said: What evidence is there to say he has been given it, and that wasn't the question. You talked about doing a better job than someone who has amassed a fortune. If you haven’t done anything to amass it then it might not be difficult. He’s not from the generation that amassed the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, TheLastSleepingGiant said: Great opening post and summarises my thoughts exactly. I’ve had concerns for some time about the Chairman and the whole regime. I was unfortunate enough to attend some of the corporate events when this all started and the Chairman’s arrogance coupled with lack of understanding terrified the life out of me. Since then key staff have left (proper wednesdayites and proper Sheffield people) and all the noises are it just isn’t right. This latest appointment almost is the perfect fit. Another clueless none football person who does things her way without advice or compromise. Breaks my heart when you have accounts like Football Away Days tweeting negatively about our club and latest appointment. How it ends who knows, we might get lucky, win promotion and he sells on for profit. Looks a distant dream at the moment though. Prepare for the ten bob millionaire onslaught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bladeor said: I see. Close the thread mods. Why would you close a thread when someone has posted facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Chansiri lost me as a fan a long time ago The prices, Badge, strip, failing to sack Carlos etc stopped me attending and I said ages ago that if we start losing it'll become a problem as more fans will start to feel the same. It hasn't been my Wednesday for some time now and with Chansiri in charge it'll probably be a long time before it is again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 58 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Cmon man I’m not gonna do it again. The reasons have beeen done to death on here. Plus journalists/people in sport are reiterating our fears All I seem to read are if, buts and maybe's. We are going through a difficult patch but it's like someone has pressed the doomsday button. The only people buckling seem to be the fans. My humble opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastSleepingGiant Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 51 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Prepare for the ten bob millionaire onslaught Don’t worry I can’t afford as much as a Pint of The Wednesday in the North stand let alone a box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, rickygoo said: You talked about doing a better job than someone who has amassed a fortune. If you haven’t done anything to amass it then it might not be difficult. He’s not from the generation that amassed the money. If, if. Still not answered my question. What is the alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 23 hours ago, KivoOwl said: First thread in a long while, and I don't apologise for it being a long one. I stopped posting because I've got a very thin skin and get too easily hurt by criticism and abuse that came my way over the last couple of years - not posting has done me good but I am seriously worried for the club we all love so need to get this off my chest. If you think I'm being a smug attention-seeker, so be it. I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone else's. Not going to talk too much about the football as it's already been covered - in the summer of 2016 we all knew that we needed to sign 4 or 5 key players who would push us on to promotion - but in the 18 months since then all we've done is replace one set of back-up players with another set of back-up players - and at great expense. You need 2 good players for each position and we haven't, so an injury crisis has exposed our recruitment policy for the utter shambles it is. We're in a relegation battle, and we'll only stay up if the likes of Hutchinson, Hooper and Lee can retain their fitness. But that's only scratching the surface of what is wrong at the club. Since he took over as chairman, Dejphon Chansiri claims he has invested over £150m into the club, and I think his financial input has blinded many to the appalling decisions he has made. The first season seems to have been a case of 'if you throw enough money at something, you'll do alright'. Sadly, money alone isn't enough. Alarm bells rang when he decided to hike ticket prices up to among the highest in the country. He claimed this was needed to lessen the impact of FFP worries, yet the extra £3m per year we are gaining from the changes (£150 extra for 20,000 season ticket holders - POTG revenue in freefall) has been a drop in the ocean compared to the overall transfer outlay. Still, he got more and more frustrated with questioning about it at fans forums - to the point where talking about ticket prices became a taboo subject. So now we just accept that the prices are what they are and you either pay them or you don't. Next, he changed key components of the club's identity. The club badge was changed to one chose by the chairman, and then the striped shirts were ditched because he liked plain shirts, and then the squad numbers were changed on his say-so. But as long as we were doing alright on the pitch, it didn't matter. "How is our playing record affected by a change of badge? How is a full-back wearing number 9 detrimental to the cause? We've ditched stripes before so it's ok" Nobody dared ask "If these changes are so irrelevant, why make them in the first place". As long as we're winning, who cares about history and tradition? Then his name was plastered on the North Stand, to replace the SWFC lettering. "It's obvious why he's done it - to alleviate FFP concerns" Does that really mean he had to put his own name on there? Did he have to put his own name on this year's anniversary season tickets alongside legends such as Crawshaw, Spiksley, Wilson, Waddle et al? How many Wednesdayites would think of doing that? I'll not talk about the scare stories we've all heard about how he conducts his business. Although I trust the different people that have told me worrying tales about Chansiri, I accept that without concrete evidence many will say it is at best rumour, and at worst some kind of agenda that I have, and I don't want to get into the sort of trouble that has befallen other Owlstalkers many years ago. It is incredible, but the most worrying part of today, as a Wednesdayite, wasn't the utter humiliation we saw on the pitch. Chansiri admitted on his first day that he knew little about football or football business, and his appointment of Adam Pearson and Glenn Roeder in advisory roles gave us optimism that he was willing to engage the services of people that could help. Pearson was gone with two weeks, Roeder soon after. They were never replaced, and we eventually began an association with Doyen Sports, who just happened to be the agent of the team manager, and Joe Palmer came in as Chief Operating Officer. For the best part of 18 months we have needed someone to bridge the gap between chairman and manager, and someone to help improve our commercial arm. In the Wednesday family alone, we have Milan Mandaric, Lee Strafford and Howard Wilkinson among many who would jump at the chance to help the club. Brian Laws, Terry Burton, Chris Waddle, John Pearson, Alan Smith, Jon Newsome - all would give their right arm to give Chansiri help in areas where we need it. Then think about those without ties to Wednesday who could do just as adequate a job. The key attribute anyone needed to have was an understanding of the English game, and the relationship between club and supporter. Without that understanding (and Chansiri hasn't got it), you're up bobbar creek. Instead, Chansiri has today appointed Katrien Meire as CEO - “I have said for some time that I would only appoint a CEO should the right person fit my specification to lead the structure of Sheffield Wednesday on a day to day basis." Meire is one of the most despised figures at any Football League club, having been a key figure at Charlton Athletic during their catastrophic fall from grace. Quotes from Meire - "I shouldn't say this but I don't care about the history of the club" ".................they do it with a football club and that's very weird because they feel a sense of ownership of a football club...." "fans don't see themselves as customers" "We have done no planning for a relegation" "Our ranking improved after each of the five managerial changes" Personally, I think she'll put her foot in her mouth like she did at Charlton and end up being the new club scapegoat, just as Roeder (recruitment) and Palmer (kits) were. Chansiri will maintain his nice-guy reputation and escape the brunt of the criticism. Even I still think he's a good guy at heart, with good intentions, but being a nice guy didn't help Carlos Carvalhal, and it shouldn't mask the job Chansiri has done so far. The list of baffling decisions and mistakes he has made has grown year on year, yet many still claim that he is learning on the job and that he'll learn from the experience. That might have been an acceptable response after six months, twelve months, even a couple of years. Claiming naivety after three years isn't good enough. I think he's been taken for a ride by many differing parties and hasn't learned from it one iota. Good businessman learn fast. Trawling the footballing world for a CEO and opting for Katrien Meire is the final straw for me - in the past I've been skeptical while holding hope he could change his ways - now I simply think he's unfit to run a football club, or any business, of this size. His next appointment will be our new manager - who believes he will make the right choice? He has said himself that he has spent £150m on this football club - and what does he have to show for it? How can he look at his track record so far and think his tenure has been anything but an abject failure? He has had more than enough time, spent more than enough money, and made more than enough decisions to have made a positive impact on this club, but after all this time we are looking in far worse shape on the pitch than we were under Milan Mandaric and Stuart Gray, which is a damning indictment given our financial position back then. It is time for him to go, and it won't be easy. He claims he had spent £150m, so any prospective buyer would have to pay at least that, which ain't gonna happen. And that's not the biggest problem, because I think Chansiri remains 100% committed to the club and will refuse to budge. I've no idea how we go about escaping the Chansiri era, but while we keep giving him a round of applause as he walks through the club shop, and while we keep our 'Thank You Chansiri' banners around the ground, we won't get anywhere. Frustating no mention of how bad Rhodes is in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladeor Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Ian said: Why would you close a thread when someone has posted facts? It is completely irrelevant. You think because swfc didn't originally wear stripes that other fans and owls fans don't think of you playing in stripes? Getting rid of them was an incredibly brash and selfish move. How many of your fans want stripes back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Willow Owl said: The thing is he is the one who has invested millions. Please expand on how you would do better than someone who has amassed a personal fortune and what is the alternative? Don’t spunk money on a bloated, unbalanced squad, boost revenue from shop and corporate areas, keep traditional stripes, don’t have a kit fiasco, don’t have rip off pricing for tickets and kits, delay the big telly if necessary. OK for starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, Bladeor said: It is completely irrelevant. You think because swfc didn't originally wear stripes that other fans and owls fans don't think of you playing in stripes? Getting rid of them was an incredibly brash and selfish move. How many of your fans want stripes back? Try answering the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladeor Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Ian said: Try answering the question Try reading the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bladeor said: Try reading the answer. I have, you haven't he answered my question Edited January 2, 2018 by Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 This is thrilling Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, Bladeor said: It is completely irrelevant. You think because swfc didn't originally wear stripes that other fans and owls fans don't think of you playing in stripes? Getting rid of them was an incredibly brash and selfish move. How many of your fans want stripes back? Not that brash imo, yes many fans want the stripes back but, we've had many spells of more than two years without them....I prefer stripes but I also like the current strip, wasn't too keen on last years but hey, it's not the be all & end all, I'm sure the stripes will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: This is thrilling Was almost tempted to put the Swansea game on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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