BIG D Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sonny said: I mean that’s exactly what you do... you just believe the people who suit your arguments. + he’s totally made that figure up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: One of the saddest things in this thread and on social media this last 48 hours is how fans have turned on David Hirst I don't get it David Hirst is right in the middle of this particuIar scrum imo.......I guess a lot of Wednesday fans think David Hirst has and does have a great deal of influence over his young lad of 18 years, in footballing matters. Possibly more influence, I would suggest, than Wednesday do. David Hirst is a very strong character and had made his way to near the top of English football in his time and like any father will have very strong opinions on the way forward for young George. I say David Hirst is in the centre of this situation, as he does have the "ear" of his son ,big time, I don't think anyone would say anything else. He also would know he has insufficient knowledge to act as his legal agent and how to negotiate the detail of a modern day football contract viz a viz media rights,copy rights,image rights etc etc and would realise that .Specialists where needed for George and his future. In step Doyen. Remembering one of David Hirst's biggest regrets in football was not joining Manchester Utd and his club SWFC, standing in his way, having regrets that his own agent could not make it happen for him at that time. David Hirst would want a strong agent for his son.David Hirst also, therefore had the "ear" of Doyen, even to the point of making suggestions and input into Doyen conversations. What father in David Hirst's position would not do that ? David Hirst will still have his own contacts throughout the English footballing world and it is not impossible, that ligitiment contact could possibly be made via him, by other club contacts, enquiring into the position of his son. I don't know as fact, but it is a possibility. Doyen will not have any reason to be speaking to the head of our academy directly regarding George, so who is it that has been using foull language towards our academy management I wonder.?? These are the reasons that our fans have turned towards David Hirst and raised more than an eyebrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 When I went to a Birthday Party with friends and relatives at Hillsborough in Feb of 2016 we were approached by David Hurst, who, when asked about George, intimated that George would not be following him at S6, especially if he had his way. He intimated that the pressure and expectations on him would be such as to be unacceptable. This simply bears out what has been happening with George anyway. My own take on is episode is that George has been influenced by the attraction of higher football. This could easily have happened at S6 or when talking to fellow team mates at international level. The thing is that no one person is bigger than the club, and honestly, is still UNPROVEN at senior level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, cowl said: You've already once made a similar post decrying my speculating - and so I replied with an explanation of my reasoning. Odd that you never replied to that. So, it seems you have a severe aversion to anybody speculating at all - and by 'speculating' you appear to mean piecing together the events and questioning the chairman's version of events. If you disagree with my timeline of events, that's fine, perhaps you could suggest what you think is more likely. Reasoning and speculation = different way of presenting no new facts. Why would you keep speculating when the only way of developing it further would be for a statement to come from Doyen/GH? A timeline of events offers nothing new. More information from other interested parties directly from them, somewhat like DC has presented, would be the time I would welcome speculation and reasoning. Until then it's all shitstirring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Freshfish said: Reasoning and speculation = different way of presenting no new facts. Why would you keep speculating when the only way of developing it further would be for a statement to come from Doyen/GH? A timeline of events offers nothing new. More information from other interested parties directly from them, somewhat like DC has presented, would be the time I would welcome speculation and reasoning. Until then it's all shitstirring. And so in the absence of anyone from Hirst's side making their own account of this, you're entirely satisfied with everything that DC has said and that it all adds up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Yes. I'm dissatisfied with Doyen within the club on so many levels because of what appears to be conflicts of interest. I think DC is providing a level of information that is to be welcomed and applauded. I disagree with some aspects of change within the club. Most of all I reserve my contempt for those who dress up 'facts' in a manner that simply seeks to legitimise their own ideas at the expense of the club. Tittle-tattle and gossip. Makes me puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Freshfish said: Yes. I'm dissatisfied with Doyen within the club on so many levels because of what appears to be conflicts of interest. I think DC is providing a level of information that is to be welcomed and applauded. I disagree with some aspects of change within the club. Most of all I reserve my contempt for those who dress up 'facts' in a manner that simply seeks to legitimise their own ideas at the expense of the club. Tittle-tattle and gossip. Makes me puke. Over-the-top and it makes you seem utterly ridiculous and even somewhat affected. I mean, really? It makes you puke? So for you DC can do whatever he likes and that's okay but your ire is reserved for all those who deign to question him?! And people wonder how those in authority ever get away with abuses of position... But that's fine, if you want to ignore it, then you ignore it. I find your position on this impossible to respect, but that's okay, it's your choice; and ignorance is bliss as they say. I'll just carry on in my own limited way in questioning the chairman's running of the club whilstever I see reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 If you don't want to go out and play football and prove yourself then you won't be playing here, then we'll focus on developing the kids who want to be here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, McRightSide said: If you don't want to go out and play football and prove yourself then you won't be playing here, then we'll focus on developing the kids who want to be here... Hirst's side seemed very keen on him going out on loan according to DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, cowl said: Hirst's side seemed very keen on him going out on loan according to DC. Naturally! They want their 'product' to be seen in as many windows as possible. The question is not,whether Wednesday are keen on him going into the shop window, bt the price they are prepared to pay for this 'priviledge'. The question is simple not about anything other than MONEY. The way I read it, Hurst values himself much higher than Wednesday value him.This NOT a new problem, it is age-old, and applies in all commercial concerns. As for DC 'doing what he wants', of course he does. He OWNS the club. It's his money that is invested, not ours. We may not like it, but we must accept it. If he is not prepared to be held to ransom by an employee, that is his prerogative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 28 minutes ago, cowl said: Over-the-top and it makes you seem utterly ridiculous and even somewhat affected. I mean, really? It makes you puke? So for you DC can do whatever he likes and that's okay but your ire is reserved for all those who deign to question him?! And people wonder how those in authority ever get away with abuses of position... But that's fine, if you want to ignore it, then you ignore it. I find your position on this impossible to respect, but that's okay, it's your choice; and ignorance is bliss as they say. I'll just carry on in my own limited way in questioning the chairman's running of the club whilstever I see reason to. I also think chansiri can do what he likes as far as Sheffield wednesday are concerned and there's not a lot we can do about it ......I usually take what football people say with a large dose of salt but how he explained the hirst situation sounds feasible to me .i'm fairly sure if he is telling porkies they'll be a response from hirst's advisors . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 26 minutes ago, Buxtongent said: Naturally! They want their 'product' to be seen in as many windows as possible. The question is not,whether Wednesday are keen on him going into the shop window, bt the price they are prepared to pay for this 'priviledge'. The question is simple not about anything other than MONEY. The way I read it, Hurst values himself much higher than Wednesday value him.This NOT a new problem, it is age-old, and applies in all commercial concerns. As for DC 'doing what he wants', of course he does. He OWNS the club. It's his money that is invested, not ours. We may not like it, but we must accept it. If he is not prepared to be held to ransom by an employee, that is his prerogative. My reply was in response to "If you don't want to go out and play football and prove yourself then you won't be playing here", by way of pointing out that DC himself acknowledges that Hirst's side does want him to go out on loan and therefore play football and prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I don't think the Chairman is telling porkies at all - but his statement is sufficiently lacking in detail for it to not incur any challenges. The Chairmans not naive, or stupid. But reading between the lines - it doesnt really tell us much more than we already knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hillsborough Mole said: I don't think the Chairman is telling porkies at all - but his statement is sufficiently lacking in detail for it to not incur any challenges. The Chairmans not naive, or stupid. But reading between the lines - it doesnt really tell us much more than we already knew. It does..cos pre that statement we were simply guessing.... Some poster who puts "From a very good source" carries as much gravitas as someone who puts..."I got a mate who works etcetc etc"..Its unsubstantiated rubbish, just a different way of trying to give it creedence... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, torryowl said: I also think chansiri can do what he likes as far as Sheffield wednesday are concerned and there's not a lot we can do about it ......I usually take what football people say with a large dose of salt but how he explained the hirst situation sounds feasible to me .i'm fairly sure if he is telling porkies they'll be a response from hirst's advisors . We can't do a lot, but that doesn't mean we can do nothing. After all, DC's words on the Hirst situation yesterday kicked off with: Quote My belief is that the majority of issues at a football club should be kept in-house but sometimes there is so much talk and speculation outside that we must tell our side of the story. A lot of rumour and continued untrue speculation can be damaging so we are left with no choice but to set the record straight. Of course, if we say nothing and just console ourselves that there's nothing we can do, then it stands to reason that DC wouldn't even have addressed this issue at all, and we'd know less even than we know now. We can moan and we can speculate. Fans who abuse or purposefully start rumours they know not to be true have no positive part to play in this whatsoever, but criticising the chairman over what he does or how he does it, is absolutely something we should continue to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, torryowl said: I also think chansiri can do what he likes as far as Sheffield wednesday are concerned and there's not a lot we can do about it ......I usually take what football people say with a large dose of salt but how he explained the hirst situation sounds feasible to me .i'm fairly sure if he is telling porkies they'll be a response from hirst's advisors . I think that everyone of the chairmans replies (ironic this one is number 13 eh?) in this series will have been scoured and legally proof read prior to release to ensure no gaping holes or libelous comments ensue ? Pretty much the same as my comments now are being proof read legally by my duty solicitor at Hammerton Road Nick .. For the record the ladies under wear found on my personage this afternoon were a present for the wife, it's pure conjecture how the pegs became attached to said garments 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 The silence from hirst`s advisers , Doyen is deafening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 The quickest way to the '3rd division' is paying players too much money, whom have not proved their worth. I'm with the chairman on this and I'm not usually besotted by chairmen, especially this one. It's ok if you are multi billionaire club, playing in the Champs league the risk is not so much of a prob. But if you break the wage structure at a 'modest 2nd div side' then foook me, all fringe and U21's will want a similar contract, especially with FFP looming best to let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 5, 2017 Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: The silence from hirst`s advisers , Doyen is deafening Anyone who thinks they're gonna start publishing responses is very naive. They have absolutely zero need to. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: The silence from hirst`s Employers, Doyen is deafening. Could this be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now