oldishowl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Holmowl said: If fit tomorrow, where would YOU play him v Hull? Bearing in mind, we know it's 442. It always is. I would play him up front Totally had enough of what I saw yesterday. And I don't care who he leaves out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Holmowl said: If fit tomorrow, where would YOU play him v Hull? Bearing in mind, we know it's 442. It always is. Left wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) FF should be left of a front 3 - end of debate Edited November 26, 2017 by Bouncing Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bouncing Owl said: FF should be left of a front 3 - end of debate We all know that but Holmowl likes to make the rules so it has to be 442 Carlos won't play FF left wing in a 442 though so if we want him in the team it has to be up front . After recent performances at Ipswich and Reading no striker should be guaranteed his place so it's a no brainer if he was fit get him in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, optimisticowl said: Well if my memory serves, so far this season we’ve had Get rid of Fessi Get rid of Carlos Get rid of Rhodes Get rid of Reach Get rid of Hirst Get rid of Dawson Get rid of Nuhiu Get rid of McGugan Get rid of Kean Get rid of Fletcher Get rid of expensive tickets Get rid of Presto shadow Get rid of Doyen Get rid of DC Get rid of bedwetters Get rid of Muffinman Get rid of two man centre midfields Get rid of Bullen Get rid of new age fans Get rid of student discount Get rid of old farts Get rid of racists Get rid of The PC brigade Get rid of defensive football Get rid of multiple threads Get rid of academy football Get rid of brightness control on advertising boards Get rid of hot tasteless tea Get rid of cash Get rid of cashless Get rid of agents Get rid of Finlux Get rid of multiple logins Get rid of Infiltrating pigs Get rid of negs Get rid of Hillsborough Get rid of memories Get rid of Boyd Get rid of Waterfront Get rid of white working class male Get rid of seating Get rid of silence Few I never saw.. Get rid of stripes. Get rid of attacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, oldishowl said: We all know that but Holmowl likes to make the rules so it has to be 442 Carlos won't play FF left wing in a 442 though so if we want him in the team it has to be up front . After recent performances at Ipswich and Reading no striker should be guaranteed his place so it's a no brainer if he was fit get him in the team If its 4-4-2, i'd play him in the no 10 role behind Hooper. But seriously, Lee and Bannan are suited to playing in a midfield 3 in front of a defensive player such as Hutchinson and Ff is suited to a wide attacker role. We really should go with a 4-3-3 formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 23 hours ago, horny owl said: We could have Messi, Ronaldo and Naymar it wouldn't make a difference Carlos would sap their attacking talent out of them and turn them into sideways kicking robots Until 'calamity Carlos' goes we're royaly screwed. We've got no chance. Messi has just signed a new deal at Barca with a 700m buy-out clause. Well just have to have naymar and Ronaldo for Carlos to destroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 If I had to play Fernando I'd give this a go... Westwood Hunt lees loovens Reach Jones Bannan Abdi lee Forestieri Hooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 30 minutes ago, zzmdu said: Left wing. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, oldishowl said: We all know that but Holmowl likes to make the rules so it has to be 442 Carlos won't play FF left wing in a 442 though so if we want him in the team it has to be up front . After recent performances at Ipswich and Reading no striker should be guaranteed his place so it's a no brainer if he was fit get him in the team He's played him LW many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Holmowl said: He's played him LW many times. Stop over egging it We have played around 130 games under Carlos and FF has started left about 15 or something like that mainly against poor sides at home It was pretty clear when we had the nonsense about FF supposedly refusing to play wide left last season that the real issue was Carlos not wanting to play him there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Holmowl said: He's played him LW many times. Forestieri is a wide attacker, like Sane and Sterling are for Man City and Mane is for Liverpool. He is not a winger where he will be asked to carry out defensive duties. Forestieri is an attacker first and foremost and that's where he should be played. System change is imperative to us - we need to go 4-3-3 to get the best out of FF, Lee and Bannan. This is a system which suits our best players. It's a system which Real Madrid, Barca, Liverpool and Man City use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Holmowl said: If the question is would I rather play this way with FF up front, it's an easy one....without. We stop scoring. If the question is woukd I rather play this way with FF wide, its just as easy.....with. You make it sound like he fits anywhere in the team, and he so clearly doesn't. And you make it sound like we're doing ok without him. Very difficult to take you seriously at the moment. Even if he plays how hes he's been played for the last 2 seasons (mainly up top/occasional stint out wide), we're clearly better than we are now. There's NOTHING to suggest we're capable of challenging for promotion without him. I'm not sure how you can refute that. If I was making the decisions, you know it wouldn't be 442. So he'd fit in much better. If it has to be 442 and he's fit tomorrow....he plays up top with Joao against Hull. They have excellent chemistry and for all Joao's flaws, I guarantee they'd cause more problems and be far more exciting to watch than any other combo we could currently field. If it's not working, put Hooper (who's form has dipped) on for a midfielder and go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We are a much better side with Nando playing. Couldn't care less whether he's up top, left wing, right wing or full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternlad Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Forestieri is a defenders nightmare. He runs at them full tilt and they more often than not commit to the tackle, if he gets by one someone else has to get to him and that’s when the gaps open up for the other strikers or midfield players to get into. I know he has shown some less than desirable qualities, but top class players like him are a bit precious in more ways than one, I’m thinking back to Best, Rodney Marsh, Stan Bowles et al I suppose, but that’s cos I’m an old git. His value on the pitch is unquestionable because as a defender you know you’ve always got to have an eye open for him and that takes your attention away from others in the final third. Sp in short I think he’s a big miss for the team (and the manager) at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bouncing Owl said: Forestieri is a wide attacker, like Sane and Sterling are for Man City and Mane is for Liverpool. He is not a winger where he will be asked to carry out defensive duties. Forestieri is an attacker first and foremost and that's where he should be played. System change is imperative to us - we need to go 4-3-3 to get the best out of FF, Lee and Bannan. This is a system which suits our best players. It's a system which Real Madrid, Barca, Liverpool and Man City use. It was interesting listening to Frank Lampard talking about England’s golden generation. He basically said they would breeze through qualifiers playing 4-4-2 but then struggle on the tournaments themselves when they came up against teams who packed midfield. And I quote “It’s difficult to get a grip of a game in midfield when you’re outnumbered.” this is is one of our biggest problems as a lot of teams we come up against in the championship pack the midfield. Why we don’t do this ourselves when it has worked so well, albeit a couple of seasons ago now, I have no idea. Even more so when most of our better players would be more suited to playing this formation. Edited November 26, 2017 by York_Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We miss him massively- If he wasn’t already ours he’s the player you would sign in January to try and fix our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, York_Owl said: It was interesting listening to Frank Lampard talking about England’s golden generation. He basically said they would breeze through qualifiers playing 4-4-2 but then struggle on the tournaments themselves when they came up against teams who packed midfield. And I quote “It’s difficult to get a grip of a game in midfield when you’re outnumbered.” this is is one of our biggest problems as a lot of teams we come up against in the championship pack the midfield. Why we don’t do this ourselves when it has worked so well, albeit a couple of seasons ago now, I have no idea. Even more so when most of our better players would be more suited to playing this formation. It's become a vocation for Carlos now. To prove he can make this nonsense 442 work. Nobody else has tried to play 442 like we do. Others play it , like Leicester when they won the Premier League, but they have battlers and runners in midfield and pace up top. We are trying to play with midfielders who can't tackle a fish supper and no pace up top. It's madness but I reckon he is on a mission so he can write another book. He won't change now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Totally agree @oldishowl. If we had a Kante or a Carlton Palmer in midfield, someone like Antonio out wide and someone like Vardy up front then fair enough we could make it work but we don’t have any of those type of players. Ironically Forestieri is the one player who could make that work from, say, a wide position but I believe even he would be far better suited to the wide left role in a 4-3-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Robdylan said: I agree. We do need him. But I can't get excited, knowing that he'll probably be played up front. If I knew that Carlos may play Fernando wide, or in the hole, or as a 4-3-3, then I'd feel different. But he won't. I've had enough now. I'll always like Carlos, but it's clear that we can't progress any further with him at the helm. I'm sure whilst he is out injured you can enjoy watching Rhodes up top before FF comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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