Holmowl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Why now? Let me stress, I have wanted Carlos out since the start of 16/17. But why recently have so many fans become so bitterly anti-Carlos? Last 5 matches - 9 points. If we had done that all season we would have 31-32 points - not our current 25. We would be 5th - not our current 11th I completely understand fans having grown weary of Carlos and his style of play, but for the life of me I don't understand why the bitterness has reached boiling-point now. While this run continues, and while Carlos resists the urge to tinker (interestingly so many fans are posting they want to butcher the line-up and formation, let alone tinker), I do not understand the growing animosity. Yes we were dull as dishwater v Bristol, and under-performed last night, but a five game unbeaten run is really decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_1 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Look how we are playing NOW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Matt_1 said: Look how we are playing NOW. We have been playing like this for 17 months. So why now, when we are gathering decent points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_1 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I disagree we have been this poor for 17 months. We were playing poorly in the run in at the end of last season but this season has been a total bobbar show. The animosity comes now because we are in a critical position. It's only now that it's looking like making the playoffs will be a miracle and performing in the playoffs is a whole different story. After the Huddersfield match, there was optimism coming from various places. Who would we sign in the summer? What had we learnt from that season? We had improved from the 1st season under Carlos - we hoped that would continue. Things were pointing towards this season being a success. Now we are where we are, the pigs are where they are and there is absolutely nothing that is suggesting this will change. More and more people have reached the tipping point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 My view hasn't changed since Huddersfield. Still want him gone. I think it's those that continued to support CC after that play-off loss that are starting to finally come around to the fact we are churning out nothing more than grade-A dog sh*t and don't look like changing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Why now? Let me stress, I have wanted Carlos out since the start of 16/17. But why recently have so many fans become so bitterly anti-Carlos? Last 5 matches - 9 points. If we had done that all season we would have 31-32 points - not our current 25. We would be 5th - not our current 11th I completely understand fans having grown weary of Carlos and his style of play, but for the life of me I don't understand why the bitterness has reached boiling-point now. While this run continues, and while Carlos resists the urge to tinker (interestingly so many fans are posting they want to butcher the line-up and formation, let alone tinker), I do not understand the growing animosity. Yes we were dull as dishwater v Bristol, and under-performed last night, but a five game unbeaten run is really decent. It's a silly question. Because he's playing football on par to the end of the Dave Jones era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_1 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Also, r.e the unbeaten run. How often will Adthe be coming on to rescue us in the 90th+ minute? How often will we be able to bore teams to death like Bristol? We're unbeaten because we have been scraping draws and nothing is indicating us being able to convert those draws to wins. Edited November 23, 2017 by Matt_1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Holmowl said: We have been playing like this for 17 months. So why now, when we are gathering decent points? People were really peeved off 17 months ago as well. I remember loads of carlos out people last season. Surprised you cant remember that. Just look back it was nearly every game until around December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Last season: Playing crap but getting results - just a few grumbles Wimp out of play-off semi finals - a fair few grumbles This season: Start slow. Get a thick, veiny shafting from eleven pigs - grumbling very vocal Followed by a brief spark of optimism then revert back to type but this time not even winning- lots of very loud and assertive grumbling. Basically: Playing crap and winning is acceptable. Playing crap and not winning is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzOwl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Why now? Let me stress, I have wanted Carlos out since the start of 16/17. But why recently have so many fans become so bitterly anti-Carlos? Last 5 matches - 9 points. If we had done that all season we would have 31-32 points - not our current 25. We would be 5th - not our current 11th I completely understand fans having grown weary of Carlos and his style of play, but for the life of me I don't understand why the bitterness has reached boiling-point now. While this run continues, and while Carlos resists the urge to tinker (interestingly so many fans are posting they want to butcher the line-up and formation, let alone tinker), I do not understand the growing animosity. Yes we were dull as dishwater v Bristol, and under-performed last night, but a five game unbeaten run is really decent. The brand of football is appalling, end of thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 One word : Excitement Or lack thereof. People want excitement. Some want entertaining, I wouldn't go that far. But I do like the see the ball in the opposition box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robowl4life Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, OwlofOliveGrove said: My view hasn't changed since Huddersfield. Still want him gone. I think it's those that continued to support CC after that play-off loss that are starting to finally come around to the fact we are churning out nothing more than grade-A dog sh*t and don't look like changing. Exactly that! Edited November 23, 2017 by robowl4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, RocketOwl said: It's a silly question. Because he's playing football on par to the end of the Dave Jones era. Not really, we were in relegation form with Jones, we couldn't buy a win. At present the football is dull, boring and mind numbing but we are picking up points over the last 5 games. Personally I don't think we are far away from being a very good side, we can play some lovely stuff at times. It's just that we can't do it for more than 10 minutes in the second half and we lack consistency. If we could take the shackles off and go for it from the first whistle I don't think the fans would mind us losing games. It's when we don't go for it and lose that most fans get upset. We were very close that first season but Carlos seems to have taken a leaf out of Irvine's book and become too frightened of the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 This OP and thread is exactly why I have had enough debating on this site. Same old every day. We are playing c rap football, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Holmowl said: We have been playing like this for 17 months. So why now, when we are gathering decent points? Because the people like you (who apparently have wanted him gone for longer than 12 months) and the people like me (who've wanted him gone since Reading last season in March) have finally seen their patience exhausted. It's simply to do with us 'tolerating' it all for so long. That's half of it. The other half I'd hazard is other fans who have been far more positive finally getting exhausted of everything. The kit, the prices, the football, Hirst's contract, Blades doing so well while we languish in mid-table (don't underestimate how much this is getting to people, even if they wouldn't dare admit it). It's all a perfect storm and the bad sides have been tolerated for long enough. I haven't done it yet, but over the next couple of weeks I'll be making a thread comparing the number of goals we've scored with Carlos in charge vs Stuart Gray, who was sacked for basically being too negative and defensive. I did a similar thing at the start of the season. I know what it's going to show before I even complete the task... we'll have scored only very marginally fewer goals with Stu in charge vs. Carlos. That's with a strike force of Nuhiu, May, Maguire etc. That's beyond unacceptable when you compare personnel then vs personnel now. The fact as well is that we have players like David Jones earning (and I don't care what anyone says about this being pure speculation) probably £25k+ a week to do sweet FA. Matias £15k+. Emmanuelson £20k+. Venancio was £2m in loan fee to not even make the bench? The amount of money we have wasted is disgusting and if it were any other club other than Wednesday, the club I support, I would be pointing and laughing and saying we deserve to languish as a poor team for the next few years as penance for wasting two golden opportunities at promotion and throwing so much money up the wall on decisions you could see were crap at the time. We have wasted a disgusting amount of resources to go nowhere fast, and there seems to be very little way in regards to accountability for that fact. I've put that in bold because I think it really is an important point. It's all been more of the same despite this fact. Well... the physio team got sacked at least. It's definitely their fault. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 It's clearly attritional. Fans can't keep renewing hope that things are going to change for the better. I've wanted him gone since Brighton away (in that it was the 'final straw'), but my commitment to this belief has ebbed and flowed quite naturally depending on how things are going on the pitch. Whilstever he's still the boss, there's a chance he can turn things around. This has been the case now for many, many months, but after many false dawns, our style of play for the most part is still generally awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Lots of reasons. His blaming anyone but himself. His dog turd football reaching a new low. Our world record lack of shots on target. The Chairman asking the fans to stump up even more cash. The top 2 ambitions now dead in the water. The blunts pi**ing all over us. The list is actually endless. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I'm not bitterly anti Carlos. I just think he's a bad fit for us. Better suited probably to Italy where his brand is embraced more. The antpathy towards him is largely because of the dull stuff consistently being served up. It's top two or thereabouts to mitigate it and then only as a temporary means to the riches of the promised land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoadABallacks Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) I think a lot of the pro Carlos or on the fence about Carlos fans have turned and had enough, so it's just more people are more vocal about it. Edited November 23, 2017 by LoadABallacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Venancio was £2m in loan fee to not even make the bench? Sh*tting hell fire! Is that true?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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