torres Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 In player performances. Was the first year under CC the perfect storm? Did everyone have the best season they're going to have? There just seems to be no improvement at all in performance levels from any player. Most have shown a steady decline! Id say bar Bannan no one has even maintained a level never mind got better! If Tom Lees carries on his decline he will have forgotten how to walk come next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) I'm thinking more and more that the players need some refreshing and some new ideas. Either they have all lost the ability they had 2 seasons ago or they are not suited to playing this style of football for this manager. I'm confident it's the latter. Edited November 23, 2017 by OwlofOliveGrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I struggle to think of anything positive Carlos is getting out of the squad. Stunning he's still in a job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) I am sorry to say but Carlos's 1 year record speaks for itself...you don't have a 14 clubs 14 years for no good reason!! 14 clubs are not wrong!! When will people realise that he is turning us into a mid-table championship club...all this about we are unbeaten in 5, were hard to beat, we came back with spirit.....its testicles...we have got 3 wins in 11 games and drawing games, which as never got anyone promoted. We all take the wee wee out of Huddersfield for their "228 game unbeaten run" but that is what we are turning into, a club content with draws!! A drawn game is 2 points lost when your ambition is the top 6. When you simply look at the league table it isn't to bad...you look and think we are 11th and 4 points off the top 6. When you look closer you look at the teams above us Derby, Boro, Bristol, Villa and the pigs....all inform teams playing well and gathering momentum going in Christmas (a period where you need to gain points). Us on the other hand playing poorly and loosing momentum, content to salvage draws. If we are not careful our season could be well and truly over after Christmas 3/4 games in 10 days could literally see us cut adrift by 9/10 points!! To me the players aren't fit enough, our tactics are poor and i honestly believe that the players are now losing faith in CC. Its becoming more and more evident IMO. Edited November 23, 2017 by Wednesday_Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Farrell said: I struggle to think of anything positive Carlos is getting out of the squad. Stunning he's still in a job. I agree but do the players need to stand up and take responsibility though Fletcher's pass last night was just a disgrace, nothing the manager can do about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Again ,we have paid a reported 4 million for Van Aken and like other big buys as disappeared off the radar. If it was my money I would be questioning what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: I struggle to think of anything positive Carlos is getting out of the squad. Stunning he's still in a job. Said it for a few weeks...the players are stale and we are going backwards on a game by game basis. He has to go mate...i agree, amazing that hes still in the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: I struggle to think of anything positive Carlos is getting out of the squad. Stunning he's still in a job. Totally agree. Gray was sacked for similar sort of performances, but without having had the luxury of such investment and the quality of players that Carlos has been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I never understood why everybody got so excited in the first place but hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, Beauchief Owl said: Totally agree. Gray was sacked for similar sort of performances, but without having had the luxury of such investment and the quality of players that Carlos has been given. He aint gonna walk and when DC finally pulls the trigger is anyones guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Frazzlebeak said: I never understood why everybody got so excited in the first place but hey ho Unfair to say that, Carlos's first season was great and was our best for two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, Beauchief Owl said: Unfair to say that, Carlos's first season was great and was our best for two decades. It was, no doubt about it but I think it got rather over hyped because of the dross that had proceeded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offalyowl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Nice guys don't do well in this division and certainly doesn't get you promoted from 1 of the toughest leagues in the world so for that reason alone he should have the decency to walk before it really does become unbearable that fans just couldn't be bothered to go to matches to support our great club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauchief Owl Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Wednesday_Jack said: We all take the wee wee out of Huddersfield for their "228 game unbeaten run" but that is what we are turning into, a club content with draws!! A drawn game is 2 points lost when your ambition is the top 6. Totally agree. If we drew all our matches we'd end up with 46 points and being relegated though no doubt the manager would then go on about our 46 match unbeaten run. A draw is a poor result, other than the odd occasion when you're away to a top team,maybe six or seven games. TBF Wilder has got it right in that the mind set is go for the win and accept the odd defeat if you're going down fighting. Carlos,however, prefers not to lose than risk trying to win with the draws eventually killing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, torres said: I agree but do the players need to stand up and take responsibility though Fletcher's pass last night was just a disgrace, nothing the manager can do about that Bad pass, agree, however why is he having to come back so deep to get the ball, where was Hooper who normally links up, and the normal sideways passing that we do was there for everyone to see, just poorly executed, who's fault is it, that he has to play this way (nobody up front to pass to) or (told to build up slowly) .It was an individual error, but a team being set up and instructed to play this way has more chance of a pass going astray, if we keep doing this the other teams know that putting pressure on our midfield/ backs is going to pay dividends. We have to stop playing the ball too much, if we see an opening we have to try and exploit, this does not mean hoof, we have to set up differently and have players making incisive runs, through the channels, and in behind, we have to have more to our game than possession, we have the players to frighten teams. Something has to change we are stale. Edited November 23, 2017 by daleblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldGigsChris Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 We were promised that new signings would be better than what we had, yet very few of the 20ish new signings have stated a first team place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 After the first season under Carlos the majority of our players got a pay rise for failing in the play off final The performances have slipped ever since They got what they wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 47 minutes ago, owlsdreamer said: Again ,we have paid a reported 4 million for Van Aken and like other big buys as disappeared off the radar. If it was my money I would be questioning what is going on. The recruitment has been dire, no argument, but the point i am making is the players from ''year one'' are a shadow of what they were. £10m for Lees and i was thinking no way - now i'd take £10.00! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, OwlofOliveGrove said: I'm thinking more and more that the players need some refreshing and some new ideas. Either they have all lost the ability they had 2 seasons ago or they are not suited to playing this style of football for this manager. I'm confident it's the latter. Big shake up required to rid the team of what looks like walking football devoid of fight and passion. When a very very ordinary player like Nuhiu can make such an impact in a few minutes, our other more gifted players should be ashamed. Where to start? Has to be the head coach who seems to have coached the life out of the team. Do it now. Give a new manager a little time before the next transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, torres said: In player performances. Was the first year under CC the perfect storm? Did everyone have the best season they're going to have? There just seems to be no improvement at all in performance levels from any player. Most have shown a steady decline! Id say bar Bannan no one has even maintained a level never mind got better! If Tom Lees carries on his decline he will have forgotten how to walk come next year! Agreed. Bannan is carrying this team. I think we'll struggle to keep him when better teams come calling. And they will. That first half last night was akin to a Alan Irvine performance. Unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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