Holmowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 8 goals conceded in their last 12 full games together. 0 Bristol City 1 Villa 1 Millwall 1 Preston 1 Udders 0 Udders 0 Ipswich 1 Derby 1 QPR 1 Newcastle 0 Rotherham 1 Barnsley I know Loovens is less and less popular, and that many fans feel we need better distribution from our CBs, but that is one hell of a firm foundation. A hugely under-valued partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, Holmowl said: 8 goals conceded in their last 12 full games together. 0 Bristol City 1 Villa 1 Millwall 1 Preston 1 Udders 0 Udders 0 Ipswich 1 Derby 1 QPR 1 Newcastle 0 Rotherham 1 Barnsley I know Loovens is less and less popular, and that many fans feel we need better distribution from our CBs, but that is one hell of a firm foundation. A hugely under-valued partnership. I love the fact that Lees always looks more assured with Loovens at the side of him. I'm a fan of clean sheets. Esepcially when we don't look like scoring. I just wish old Glenn could pass the ball more than 6 inches so our midfield weren't having to come and fetch it all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: I love the fact that Lees always looks more assured with Loovens at the side of him. I'm a fan of clean sheets. Esepcially when we don't look like scoring. I just wish old Glenn could pass the ball more than 6 inches so our midfield weren't having to come and fetch it all along. Could be worse. Remember Laurie Madden....brought the ball down out of the air on a sixpence, eased the ball out of his feet like a dream, made himself space away from his opponent like a Rolls-Royce, then calmly and serenely curled an exquisite ball into row D of the South Stand. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDO Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Holmowl said: 8 goals conceded in their last 12 full games together. 0 Bristol City 1 Villa 1 Millwall 1 Preston 1 Udders 0 Udders 0 Ipswich 1 Derby 1 QPR 1 Newcastle 0 Rotherham 1 Barnsley I know Loovens is less and less popular, and that many fans feel we need better distribution from our CBs, but that is one hell of a firm foundation. A hugely under-valued partnership. That partnership is the foundation for achieving the play offs the last two seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Interesting stat, can't really argue that when they are fit they should both play next to each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Could be worse. Remember Laurie Madden....brought the ball down out of the air on a sixpence, eased the ball out of his feet like a dream, made himself space away from his opponent like a Rolls-Royce, then calmly and serenely curled an exquisite ball into row D of the South Stand. To be honest, I'd take Laurie right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 They've both got to move the ball quicker, one is too relaxed on the ball and the other panics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMX Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Hard for either team to score when these two are doing triangles with Westwood for 60 mins of the 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Goals scored when van Aken plays: 13 from 8 games (1.6pg) Goals scored when Loovens plays: 5 from 6 games (0.8pg) Points won when van Aken plays: 11 (1.4 points per game) Points won when Loovens plays: 8 (1.3 points per game) Average league position of teams van Aken has played against (as of today): 12th Average league position of teams Loovens has played against (as of today): 11th This (inadvertently) pretty much has been my thinking for a while... van Aken is being unfairly judged. With him in the side we haven't really suffered in terms of performances, indeed the only real change we see is a decrease in the goals scored in the game. There's no doubt he is a better defender than van Aken, but having a CB that offers a quicker pass to maintain tempo is a powerful asset for a side that can't create any of their own. I think it's very easy to look at the clean sheet side of things and see an obvious improvement in that regard and be happy, especially with a CB because ultimately defending's their job. But don't overlook the other facets that a CB can bring, especially in the modern game. I'd be happy with either starting, but don't underestimate the power of the forward pass Edited November 20, 2017 by StudentOwl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriwozgod Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: To be honest, I'd take Laurie right now. I know one thing for sure.....................Leon Clarke wouldnt have had the freedom of Hillsborough if a 30 year old Lawrie Madden had played against him. Edited November 20, 2017 by sheriwozgod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 50 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: To be honest, I'd take Laurie right now. Isnt he a bit old? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Holmowl said: 8 goals conceded in their last 12 full games together. 0 Bristol City 1 Villa 1 Millwall 1 Preston 1 Udders 0 Udders 0 Ipswich 1 Derby 1 QPR 1 Newcastle 0 Rotherham 1 Barnsley I know Loovens is less and less popular, and that many fans feel we need better distribution from our CBs, but that is one hell of a firm foundation. A hugely under-valued partnership. Personally see no issues with Loovens. Soemone on here said yesterday if he didn't read the game so well he wouldn't be playing at this level? Like saying if Westwood didn't save as many shots he wouldn't be at this level. Loovens is slow at passing the ball out but half the time it's because he has no options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 It's simple really. Loovens and Lees are reasonably sound defensively but Loovens is hopeless on the ball. Other teams stand off with a smile on their face and let Westwood roll it to Loovens ( eventually that is when Westwood has got his brain in gear). So Carlos let's stop giving it to Loovens. Let Westwood try and throw it quickly to someone else , quickly might be a problem, or if that's not on clear it, preferably down the wing so we have a chance of starting with a throw in their half Sometimes it has to be passed across the back four, no problem with that, but let's stop Westwood giving the ball to Loovens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Two seasons to recruit a beast CB that everyone could see we needed after the PO final. We havent recruited better than we have in two seasons. A woeful fact that means we go backwards as others improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 22 minutes ago, oldishowl said: It's simple really. Loovens and Lees are reasonably sound defensively but Loovens is hopeless on the ball. Other teams stand off with a smile on their face and let Westwood roll it to Loovens ( eventually that is when Westwood has got his brain in gear). So Carlos let's stop giving it to Loovens. Let Westwood try and throw it quickly to someone else , quickly might be a problem, or if that's not on clear it, preferably down the wing so we have a chance of starting with a throw in their half Sometimes it has to be passed across the back four, no problem with that, but let's stop Westwood giving the ball to Loovens No argument with that. Loovens gets stick for being ponderous on the ball.....stop giving it to him so often Carlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Holmowl said: No argument with that. Loovens gets stick for being ponderous on the ball.....stop giving it to him so often Carlos. Last time i checked, Carlos has yet to play a single minute of football in his time at Hillsborough... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I have 3 problems with Loovens His casual approach means he puts us under unnecessary pressure His slow starts to games until he realises we kicked off ten minutes ago The Chuckle Brothers "to me to you" act with Lees (not all his fault...I blame CC) However, out of the permutations we have seen, him and Lees is currently the least worst option and that goals conceded record looks pretty good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Loovens taking the sting out of the game is, I am sure, a deliberate strategy at times. As I have always said, centre backs are there to defend and keep clean sheets. These two do that very well. They are a great combination. Lees is a rough diamond, has decent quality but gets stuck in. Loovens has been there and done it and has the pedigree of a rolls royce. Not many in our league have played centre back against Ronaldo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 What these stats don't say is how the team was set up in front of them....ie how much cover are we giving them by playing a deep lying centre midfielder or either Bannan or Butterfield playing deep. It would be interesting to see the stats for Lees and Loovens should CC choose to play more attacking line ups.I'm not saying Loovens and Lees are not our best pairing, but what I'm asking is just how good are they without a defensive midfield ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: I love the fact that Lees always looks more assured with Loovens at the side of him. I'm a fan of clean sheets. Esepcially when we don't look like scoring. I just wish old Glenn could pass the ball more than 6 inches so our midfield weren't having to come and fetch it all along. Agreed. It is getting to the stage though where we really need another player who can fit in alongside Lees if only as reliable cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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