Jennz Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Ronio said: Why do you think the word paki in itself shouldn't always be looked on as being racist? I suppose it's all about context & when & how it's used....when I was growing up in Sheffield the term Paki wasn't meant to be abusive & as far as I know in the circles I lived in it wasn't. Paki or Pakies is a shortened version of Pakistani, it's the same as Aussie or any other number of shortened down terms for where someone is deemed to be from, like a nickname really, like I said, I get called Pommie a lot over here, is it racist?, I personally don't feel it is. I understand that the world we live in now is super sensitive about words & about how they are used, I do think the way in which the fella in the OP said/sang it was meant to be racist & so it was racist....I guess even Pommie if said in a certain way or context could even be racist....political correctness amongst other things has made sure the world has lurched this way, meaning some shortened down words for where a person hails from is now ALWAYS deemed as being unacceptable...Paki is probably the best example of this but it wasn't always that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Neal M said: He’s Australian - the context of that particular word may be different out there. That said, most Australians I’ve met have been racist as roger, so the context may not be that different. Just so you know, I'm not Australian, I'm born & bred in Sheffield. It's unfortunate that most Australians you've met are racist....in my experience Australians are no different in that respect to any other group I've come across.....about the context of that particular word, I'm not really sure anymore what it is out here these days, the examples I used earlier in the thread were from some time ago, a time when context about that particular word wasn't even a thought process, well I guess it is now, I don't hear it anymore & I certainly wouldn't use it purely & simply because of how PC is clogging up the way society operates, meaning that people that come from Pakistan probably are insulted by such things now & I wouldn't want to insult anybody if I can help it....it's still alright to call me a Pommie though....thank goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, asteener1867 said: "Paki"...but historically no-one has ever sang "We're goin' Aussie/Brit bashin'" have they? Maybe not in England mate but it has here....there was what is now an infamous incident here a few years ago where that exact circumstance followed by an actual bashing sparked a massive riot at Cronulla in Sydney.....a group of Lebanese fella's(gulp, I nearly said Lebo then)bashed some Aussie life savers cos they were Aussie(according to some witnesses)....some very ugly scenes followed & tensions were high for a few days & still is on the anniversary of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday Fan Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 hours ago, robowl4life said: If you put into context the rest of what I said you’ll find I’m not comparing him to Sutcliffe. Neither am I defending his actions. Indeed I have read your post and your categorisation of this type of offending as ‘low level’ attempts to minimise the offending and displays a lack of empathy and appreciation of ethical diversity issues. You were the one who offered the name Peter Sutcliffe as a comparative figure, so it is a reasonable consequence to assume you are comparing the offender with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robowl4life Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wednesday Fan said: Indeed I have read your post and your categorisation of this type of offending as ‘low level’ attempts to minimise the offending and displays a lack of empathy and appreciation of ethical diversity issues. You were the one who offered the name Peter Sutcliffe as a comparative figure, so it is a reasonable consequence to assume you are comparing the offender with him. I think you need to re-read the whole post. You’ll then realise I was talking about the reactions of people on here. I dread to think what you think a murderer or a peadophile is in terms of serious offending. You’ve clearly lived a very sheltered life if you think it was a high level of offending. The blokes done wrong, been caught and got his deserved punishment... but let’s stone the c##t to death instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, robowl4life said: I think you need to re-read the whole post. You’ll then realise I was talking about the reactions of people on here. I dread to think what you think a murderer or a peadophile is in terms of serious offending. You’ve clearly lived a very sheltered life if you think it was a high level of offending. The blokes done wrong, been caught and got his deserved punishment... but let’s stone the c##t to death instead. Are there any women here today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulsar Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, rickygoo said: Are there any women here today? You'd think so with some of the posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pulsar said: You'd think so with some of the posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveger Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, rickygoo said: pure class.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 hours ago, asteener1867 said: Shortening of the word "Australian" Costello...Like "Brit" or...Ohh aye... "Paki"...but historically no-one has ever sang "We're goin' Aussie/Brit bashin'" have they? So I think its the connatation of the word "Paki" that harks back to those days... It’s still a shorter version of country’s name. Is calling somebody from Scotland a Scot racist? A Brit? Dane? Aussie? Just because some Neanderthals use the P word derogatory does not make it racist for everybody else. I spend half my life in Ireland, have Irish relatives etc. When I’m in England, many people refer to my friends, family and myself (even though I’m English) as Micks, Paddy’s etc but this doesn’t get deemed as racist ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just out of curiosity, would he have been banned if he'd mimed I'd rather be a Pakistani than a Blade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 The number of replies in this thread trying everything they can to argue for racism tells you just how far we have to go in order to eradicate it completely Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, @owlstalk said: The number of replies in this thread trying everything they can to argue for racism tells you just how far we have to go in order to eradicate it completely Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifax Owls Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: The first time I ever heard that word was when I was about 9 or 10 years old. And it was a Pakistani girl that said it . She arrived at our house one day (Her father and mine were pals) and while the adults were chatting and we were running around she just came out with it. "My parents want me to marry a Paki." Funny how somethings stay with you. Yet I couldn't even remember what day it was this morning. Were you in Rita, Sue and Bob too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 19 minutes ago, Halifax Owls said: Were you in Rita, Sue and Bob too? Not at the same time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifax Owls Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Lord Snooty said: Not at the same time That's the aristocracy for yer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal M Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, raljex said: My favourite post ever. Be racist as roger towards the people that society deems ok eh Neal? Why not think for yourself rather than putting labels on people? Not putting labels on anybody. I’m not saying it’s all Australians who behave that way. Just too many of the ones I have met. Simply putting forward my experiences. And my experiences are far from unique. It was a very common complaint when I lived in London, and when I have traveled in Asia. Sorry if you are offended but take it up with the Australian Ex-patriots and tourists who do their country such a disservice. I move a lot of concrete on the QVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennz Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: The number of replies in this thread trying everything they can to argue for racism tells you just how far we have to go in order to eradicate it completely "everything they can to argue for racism" Interesting take on the thread, would you like to clarify, specify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 39 minutes ago, Neal M said: Not putting labels on anybody. I’m not saying it’s all Australians who behave that way. Just too many of the ones I have met. Simply putting forward my experiences. And my experiences are far from unique. It was a very common complaint when I lived in London, and when I have traveled in Asia. Sorry if you are offended but take it up with the Australian Ex-patriots and tourists who do their country such a disservice. Dissing an entire nation based on a few you’ve met is racist. I’ve met quite a few Aussies in my time and genuinely they have to be the best type of people I’ve ever met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal M Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: Dissing an entire nation based on a few you’ve met is racist. Except.... I haven’t done that. Edited November 15, 2017 by Neal M I move a lot of concrete on the QVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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