Sheffield Wednesday Steering Meeting - The Minutes

[owls maniac]

39 minutes ago, sheffield_dave said:

After two failed attempts at promotion we are now 16th in the league, our form is awful, we've been embarrassed by United at home..

 

And apparently we give a round of applause to this manager staying while asking the real key questions about the brightness of the advertising hoardings.

 

Disheartening. These people are fine to support their Sheffield Wednesday, I'll carry on supporting mine. 

The people who tend to go to these events are largely blubbering sycophants who are just happy to be given the time of day. They are in no way representative of the larger fanbase- as will be demonstrated if our wretched form continues for much longer.

[Guest mkowl]

Were questions on Doyen actually raised ?

 

Saying that the Club has promised to answer the website questions 

[StudentOwl]

DC: I'm happy with our recruitment policy as we've signed lots of backup for a fair wedge

Also DC: Can you fans keep giving me lots of money via an extortionate pricing structure? I need it to afford our current recruitment policy and not fall foul of FFP

 

 

[owls maniac]

43 minutes ago, gypsyowl said:

4a #swfc Steering Meeting DC wishes to apologise to fans who cannot afford a ST or a match day ticket but he says needs must with regards to

4b #swfc Steering Meeting generating revenues to help contribute towards keeping within the FFP rules he believes in his pricing policy and

4c #swfc Steering Meeting confirmed that if we want to continue attracting better players and not go backwards he has to raise as much as he

4d #swfc Steering Meeting can in areas of tickets sales and the retail his idea regarding 1867 Membership has not taken off so he is looking

 

This for me lays the problem.

 

Chansiri is right, for us to realistically win promotion (which is the only reason he bought us) then he has to charge these outrageous prices, but for me personally I feel embarrassed every time I walk through a turnstile & see how much it is for POTG. Some people find it funny that we rip of fellow football fans who work all week then pay their hard earned money on a Saturday to watch football. But I am ashamed.

 

I know it gets discussed a lot but it’s shameful. 10 years ago on cross you couldn’t walk to the edge of your street on match day without seeing floods of families in Wednesday shirts leaving their houses to walk to the ground. I don’t live on Cross any more but whenever I go back & speak to old mates, they all say the same, love Wednesday but can’t afford to take their family, the worst thing is there’s a few pigs knocking about round here as well, that never used to happen when I lived there.

 

Luckily I can afford a season tickets & my son is in the forces so when he can go he’ll go with his mates.

 

My twin daughters have never been bothered about football luckily for my wallet, they are 11 now so would cost me a fortune to take them both.

 

Any way getting back to my point, I like Chansiri, I believe he will do everything to take us up but you have been badly advised my good friend. Sheffield/South Yorks may have some wealthy parts but there’s still some proper working class areas, money is tight, most people will sacrifice doing normal social stuff so they can afford to go to football (I’ve been there!), now it’s impossible to afford £42 for a Cat A game or £39 for a cat B, that is a lot of money as it’s not just about the match ticket, it’s the pints before/after, the beres pork sandwich, bookies, it’s all a part of the match day experience I used to love but it all adds up cost wise. Sheffield people need football, when you’re working your arSe off all week, football keeps you going, the thought of that Saturday morning when you wake up, cook breakfast, clock watching until 11am when you make your way to boozer, meet up with pals & sink several. Some of the best laughs I’ve ever had have been sitting around a table at mid-day on a Saturday hearing all your pals stories of the last 2 weeks, reminiscing of the years gone by watching Wednesday.

 

But all this is not possible for a lot of people.

 

If the below were 2 realistic options moving forward (they’re not) then there would be no competition, from the people I know anyway.

 

1. US fans pay through the roof for all merchandise, match tickets, season tickets the most expensive they’ve ever been, probably most expensive in the league? – in return we will be competing top 6 & have a star named line-up. (supposedly..!)
2. Pay what you’d expect at this level. £400 season ticket, £26 - £30 match day ticket. £40 shirt, £20 for young’uns, in return our squad will be a mix of premier league loans, free transfers & maybe the odd transfer fee paid for, because of this we’ll more than likely be around mid-table.

 

It's an absolute no brainer for me because Wednesday is a family to me, I’ve always lived amongst Wednesday fans, I don’t care how bad we are, some of my early memories of watching us was late 70s, I saw the highs of the early 80s, the 90’s & they were great memories but some of my favourite memories watching Wednesday were during the bad times, because me & my mates went to football & that’s what it’s all about.

 

What I would love to see (not going to happen now DC is so heavily involved but I’m going to say it anyway), is go back to affordable pricing, get rid of all this modern rubbish Doyen Sports, Head Coach titles, signing foreign players for them to sit on the bench? Not giving youth a chance! One of the best prospects we’ve had in a while won’t sign a new contract & will more than likely leave for peanuts… Give a MANAGER a job, Mr Warnock would have been perfect back in 2013 after Dave Jones left, but there’s other alternatives, Mick McCarthy, Arry Redknapp & just give them a project to work with, weeling & dealing in the transfer market & football is so huge nowa days you’d still get the 28k average if the pricing was right.

 

I’m not sure how many people will read this but I feel better for typing but my main point is -----------------------à Pricing out working class football is shameful.

The high pricing for the sake FFP is a huge red herring in my view. When you’ve got players like Fletcher on £30k a week the money on the gate is a drop in the ocean. It’s greed- pure and simple- and will alienate a lot of supporters in the long term.

[gypsyowl]

1 minute ago, owls maniac said:

The high pricing for the sake FFP is a huge red herring in my view. When you’ve got players like Fletcher on £30k a week the money on the gate is a drop in the ocean. It’s greed- pure and simple- and will alienate a lot of supporters in the long term.

 

yes mate that is my worry too, I found it terrible walking round Sheffield in the 6 week holidays & not seeing any new wednesday shirts just pig ones & the obvious barca, real, man utd etc

[matthefish2002]

4 minutes ago, owls maniac said:

The high pricing for the sake FFP is a huge red herring in my view. When you’ve got players like Fletcher on £30k a week the money on the gate is a drop in the ocean. It’s greed- pure and simple- and will alienate a lot of supporters in the long term.

 

Huddersfield are bound to hit a sticky patch over next few seasons but I believe are a lot less likely to lose the goodwill of supporters because of their sensible prices then Wednesday are beginning to because of the high pricing.

[Gerinako]

40 minutes ago, Finlux_Cup said:

 

WHY DIDNT WE LISTEN TO YOU...WHYYYYY!!!

Ha - if I remember the topic rightly I wasn't the only one questioning the clamour for Rhodes

[owls maniac]

2 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

Huddersfield are bound to hit a sticky patch over next few seasons but I believe are a lot less likely to lose the goodwill of supporters because of their sensible prices then Wednesday are beginning to because of the high pricing.

Spot on. The case of Huddersfield, Cardiff and the pigs also makes a mockery of DC’s argument about parachute payments. The reason it is difficult is because we’re being ran like a corner shop.

[gypsyowl]

Just now, owls maniac said:

Spot on. The case of Huddersfield, Cardiff and the pigs also makes a mockery of DC’s argument about parachute payments. The reason it is difficult is because we’re being ran like a corner shop.

 

teams like hudders, bristol city, cardiff & (dare I say it) pigs are proof that once you get the right man in charge & get recruitment spot on then it's not all about mass investment to get promoted

[fred mciver]

According to today's Star, DC confirmed Doyen are our advisors and have power to speak to clubs on behalf of Owls about transfers.

 

As Doyen are also agents to Hirsty, is it just me or is there a potential confilct of interests here?

 

Can't get my head around that.

[BobsMagicCalculator]

1 minute ago, owls maniac said:

Spot on. The case of Huddersfield, Cardiff and the pigs also makes a mockery of DC’s argument about parachute payments. The reason it is difficult is because we’re being ran like a corner shop.

 

NO, theres usually stuff on the shelves in a corner shop. 

[shezzas left peg]

1 hour ago, gypsyowl said:

4a #swfc Steering Meeting DC wishes to apologise to fans who cannot afford a ST or a match day ticket but he says needs must with regards to

4b #swfc Steering Meeting generating revenues to help contribute towards keeping within the FFP rules he believes in his pricing policy and

4c #swfc Steering Meeting confirmed that if we want to continue attracting better players and not go backwards he has to raise as much as he

4d #swfc Steering Meeting can in areas of tickets sales and the retail his idea regarding 1867 Membership has not taken off so he is looking

 

This for me lays the problem.

 

Chansiri is right, for us to realistically win promotion (which is the only reason he bought us) then he has to charge these outrageous prices, but for me personally I feel embarrassed every time I walk through a turnstile & see how much it is for POTG. Some people find it funny that we rip of fellow football fans who work all week then pay their hard earned money on a Saturday to watch football. But I am ashamed.

 

I know it gets discussed a lot but it’s shameful. 10 years ago on cross you couldn’t walk to the edge of your street on match day without seeing floods of families in Wednesday shirts leaving their houses to walk to the ground. I don’t live on Cross any more but whenever I go back & speak to old mates, they all say the same, love Wednesday but can’t afford to take their family, the worst thing is there’s a few pigs knocking about round here as well, that never used to happen when I lived there.

 

Luckily I can afford a season tickets & my son is in the forces so when he can go he’ll go with his mates.

 

My twin daughters have never been bothered about football luckily for my wallet, they are 11 now so would cost me a fortune to take them both.

 

Any way getting back to my point, I like Chansiri, I believe he will do everything to take us up but you have been badly advised my good friend. Sheffield/South Yorks may have some wealthy parts but there’s still some proper working class areas, money is tight, most people will sacrifice doing normal social stuff so they can afford to go to football (I’ve been there!), now it’s impossible to afford £42 for a Cat A game or £39 for a cat B, that is a lot of money as it’s not just about the match ticket, it’s the pints before/after, the beres pork sandwich, bookies, it’s all a part of the match day experience I used to love but it all adds up cost wise. Sheffield people need football, when you’re working your arSe off all week, football keeps you going, the thought of that Saturday morning when you wake up, cook breakfast, clock watching until 11am when you make your way to boozer, meet up with pals & sink several. Some of the best laughs I’ve ever had have been sitting around a table at mid-day on a Saturday hearing all your pals stories of the last 2 weeks, reminiscing of the years gone by watching Wednesday.

 

But all this is not possible for a lot of people.

 

If the below were 2 realistic options moving forward (they’re not) then there would be no competition, from the people I know anyway.

 

1. US fans pay through the roof for all merchandise, match tickets, season tickets the most expensive they’ve ever been, probably most expensive in the league? – in return we will be competing top 6 & have a star named line-up. (supposedly..!)
2. Pay what you’d expect at this level. £400 season ticket, £26 - £30 match day ticket. £40 shirt, £20 for young’uns, in return our squad will be a mix of premier league loans, free transfers & maybe the odd transfer fee paid for, because of this we’ll more than likely be around mid-table.

 

It's an absolute no brainer for me because Wednesday is a family to me, I’ve always lived amongst Wednesday fans, I don’t care how bad we are, some of my early memories of watching us was late 70s, I saw the highs of the early 80s, the 90’s & they were great memories but some of my favourite memories watching Wednesday were during the bad times, because me & my mates went to football & that’s what it’s all about.

 

What I would love to see (not going to happen now DC is so heavily involved but I’m going to say it anyway), is go back to affordable pricing, get rid of all this modern rubbish Doyen Sports, Head Coach titles, signing foreign players for them to sit on the bench? Not giving youth a chance! One of the best prospects we’ve had in a while won’t sign a new contract & will more than likely leave for peanuts… Give a MANAGER a job, Mr Warnock would have been perfect back in 2013 after Dave Jones left, but there’s other alternatives, Mick McCarthy, Arry Redknapp & just give them a project to work with, weeling & dealing in the transfer market & football is so huge nowa days you’d still get the 28k average if the pricing was right.

 

I’m not sure how many people will read this but I feel better for typing but my main point is -----------------------à Pricing out working class football is shameful.

If your getting 34000 sell outs EVERY home game, pricing is not an issue, but if not you drop the price a bit, as it's cheaper more people can afford it therefore more bums on seats, so to speak. 

[brian joicey]

2 hours ago, Grandad said:

That would suggest the Chairman is also feeling the pressure at the moment. This pressure can only be released as and when we start putting together some better results - and the Chairman has clearly backed Carlos to do that. The best thing we can all do as fans (unless you really do want us to implode) is to accept the Chairmans decision on the manager (even if you dont agree with it), and ensure we are fully supportive of the manager and team from Saturday onwards.

 

 

i simply CANNOT forgive him for the blunts debacle, the lack of response in the subsequent matches is rubbing salt into the wounds . finding it hard to 'pick myself up off the canvas' 

[StudentOwl]

17 minutes ago, fred mciver said:

According to today's Star, DC confirmed Doyen are our advisors and have power to speak to clubs on behalf of Owls about transfers.

 

As Doyen are also agents to Hirsty, is it just me or is there a potential confilct of interests here?

 

Can't get my head around that.

Apparently it's two different branches of Doyen that are involved, one that looks at player recruitment for the club, the other manages Hirst's contract

If I were in their shoes I would never look to collaborate in order to maximise my company's profits. Ever

[gypsyowl]

7 minutes ago, brian joicey said:

i simply CANNOT forgive him for the blunts debacle, the lack of response in the subsequent matches is rubbing salt into the wounds . finding it hard to 'pick myself up off the canvas' 

 

I stuck up for Carlos all last season & even after the huddersfield games

 

after the preston match I was close to saying we NEED a change but stuck with him even after a pretty slow start, then after that pigs game, not just the performance but his reaction before/after as well as not letting any of the players face the music, I will never forgive that, big error & should have been sacked immediately after that game.

 

it's so obvious we need a change, Chansiri doesn't know what he's doing, he thought he could sell 20,000 1867 memberships which proves how deluded he is.

[Mountain Owl]

Thanks for that Malcolm and your honest and informative report. Sorry to hear you will not be attending in the future. 

I cannot believe what is happening to our club and the irresponsibility and stubborness at the very top. It is so obvious the Doyen set up is not working yet we are to continue throwing more good money at it mainly from the supporters hard earned cash. To try and blame the supporters for certain players recruitment is scandalous. Yet the players we have signed from overseas have been nothing but catastrophic, whose fault is that?

Its no so much as to how long is the chairman going to continuing backing CC as when is he going to change the set up and recruit a director of football who knows what he's doing.

I could really let rip but the more I hear the more I fear it would be a complete waste of time as the powers that be neither wish to listen to constructive ideas or intend changing from the path they have us set on. I fear the worst and we could be a car crash waiting to happen.

 

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Well I'm glad that DC is happy with our current league position because I f****** aren't .Beggars belief after spending all that wedge it really does.

[DeeJayOne]

 

The club should be ashamed at bullying Malcolm out of these meetings, IMO.

 

 

[@owlstalk]

That’s a disgrace

[Gerinako]

It doesn't fit the happy clapper agenda circle