Pompeyowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, McRightSide said: I don't think you really get into a debate on the number of times white people have missed out on this vs the amount of times black people have. I was very clear that the person who gets a job should be the best person for it. But what you're not appreciating is that it's proven the more diverse and organization is, the better they perform because they are more creative. Who's to say hiring another a minority candidate won't unlock creativity that was otherwise not possible. The point of these programmes is to remove barriers and sometimes the issue needs to be forced with quotas - its down to the hiring company to find minority candidates that stack up...and there isn't enough for them to choose from. But if you don't grant people the opportunities in the first place sometimes with drastic action, then your never going to make a significant change. What absolute horseshit. So a company is more effective because if it employs people of different skin colour?! How is this proven? I'm genuinely interested because this would absolutely dislodge my life long belief that skin colour is irrelevant. Edited October 19, 2017 by Pompeyowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlandished Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, McRightSide said: But what you're not appreciating is that it's proven the more diverse and organization is, the better they perform because they are more creative. 1. Proven - where? 2. Better they perform - define your terms 3. Because they are more creative - circle back to 1 and 2 Such a spurious argument Take Huawei. They would disagree, if they even gave your privileged liberal guilt the time of day - which of course they wouldn't A mobile phone by that Chinese technology company will out sell Samsung and Apple phones in next few months, yet has an 80% "asian" workforce, even in their UK or US operations Try telling them to respect diversity They'd laugh at your liberal guilt, as would I Edited October 19, 2017 by owlandished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, McRightSide said: I don't think you really get into a debate on the number of times white people have missed out on this vs the amount of times black people have. I was very clear that the person who gets a job should be the best person for it. But what you're not appreciating is that it's proven the more diverse and organization is, the better they perform because they are more creative. Who's to say hiring another a minority candidate won't unlock creativity that was otherwise not possible. The point of these programmes is to remove barriers and sometimes the issue needs to be forced with quotas - its down to the hiring company to find minority candidates that stack up...and there isn't enough for them to choose from. But if you don't grant people the opportunities in the first place sometimes with drastic action, then your never going to make a significant change. 4 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Err apart from where I said jobs should go to the best person You did say that, but read again what you said in the above post right after you said it. I will repeat again, the only one that has discriminated is yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlandished Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, owlandished said: 1. Proven - where? 2. Better they perform - define your terms 3. Because they are more creative - circle back to 1 and 2 Such a spurious argument Take Huawei. They would disagree, if they even gave your privileged liberal guilt the time of day - which of course they wouldn't A mobile phone by that Chinese technology company will out sell Samsung and Apple phones in next few months, yet has an 80% "asian" workforce, even in their UK or US operations Try telling them to respect diversity They'd laugh at your liberal guilt, as would I Forgot to add hah hah ha ha hah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Pompeyowl said: What absolute horseshit. So a company is more effective because if it employs people of different skin colour?! How is this proven? I'm genuinely interested because this would absolutely dislodge my life long belief that skin colour is irrelevant. Its proven. Educate yourself. Diversity goes beyond skin colour too you know. Edited October 20, 2017 by McRightSide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left-footed Filth Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 We already have a manager with tactical disabilities. Isn't that enough? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyowl Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, McRightSide said: Its proven. Educate yourself. Diversity goes beyond skin colour too you know. It's proven, yet you won't give any examples?! I'm giving you the chance to educate me, but you won't take it. Sure right you are, diverstity does go beyond someone's skin colour. Believe it or not, much like someone's skin colour, I see someone's sexual preferenece, gender, religion etc as irrelevant also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 It would really help our diversity numbers if we could find someone who covers all of them at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, McRightSide said: Its proven. Educate yourself. Diversity goes beyond skin colour too you know. Goes beyond it but you'd bypass someone who's skin colour was white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirodo Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, southportdc said: It would really help our diversity numbers if we could find someone who covers all of them at once. I'm willing to black up and take the job, if that helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Cosby Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, mirodo said: I'm willing to black up and take the job, if that helps. I'll back this on the proviso that you also wear a frock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirodo Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Cosby Blunkett said: I'll back this on the proviso that you also wear a frock. I once got sent a naughty nurses outfit from eBay due to "an order mix-up". Unfortunately it was a size 8, so it didn't quite fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Cosby Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, mirodo said: I once got sent a naughty nurses outfit from eBay due to "an order mix-up". Unfortunately it was a size 8, so it didn't quite fit. Sounds perfect. When can you start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirodo Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, Cosby Blunkett said: Sounds perfect. When can you start? As soon as I can find somebody to zip me up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbo Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 All you lefties that drone on about black, white, mixed race, gay, trans blah blah bloody blah are part of the 'problem'. Who the hell cares? I don't care who people want to f*ck and I don't care what colour someone's skin is, neither do 99% of the population FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penrhyn bay owl Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 hours ago, mirodo said: I once got sent a naughty nurses outfit from eBay due to "an order mix-up". Unfortunately it was a size 8, so it didn't quite fit. You still got this ? Asking for a friend .... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: Goes beyond it but you'd bypass someone who's skin colour was white? Ok so let's just make stuff up now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woozie Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Sol Campbell is a good shout. He's black and gay, how many diversity points is that worth? Edited October 20, 2017 by Woozie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirodo Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 16 minutes ago, penrhyn bay owl said: You still got this ? Asking for a friend .... I ripped it trying it on, so it went in the bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyowl Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, dobbo said: All you lefties that drone on about black, white, mixed race, gay, trans blah blah bloody blah are part of the 'problem'. Who the hell cares? I don't care who people want to f*ck and I don't care what colour someone's skin is, neither do 99% of the population FACT That minute footage of Morgan speaking is as accurate as you can possibly get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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