torryowl Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, trueblue1987 said: Whilst I agree, we need to support the team. As a fan, who's been here longer than DC,CC and any of the players. Part of my role,and perogative, is to voice my displeasure at the terrible football, inflated prices and below par facilities. If I went to a restaurant and it was great but then it get mega expensive and the staff no longer cared I wouldn't just keep tipping them and saying how great it was, I'd tell them. Or I'd vote with my feet. Unfortunately this is difficult if you truly care. SWFC is a business and charging a premium for a sub-standard product. So far from cheering dross performances, as a true supporter, who cares for the club, I'll voice my opinion and hopefully ignite a change. It'll be too hard to walk away. fair enough but I go the other way and feel when the players are struggling that's the time to get behind them .....by all means berate the owner that doesn't really matter as he aint out there playing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: Only when the fans start chantiing “Carlos out” when Chansiri is in attendance will any notice be taken, then when no action is forthcoming “Chansiri out” will be heard! What happens then is anybody’s guess.... It goes dark when the sun goes down, then get light in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 7 hours ago, trueblue1987 said: Whilst I agree, we need to support the team. As a fan, who's been here longer than DC,CC and any of the players. Part of my role,and perogative, is to voice my displeasure at the terrible football, inflated prices and below par facilities. If I went to a restaurant and it was great but then it get mega expensive and the staff no longer cared I wouldn't just keep tipping them and saying how great it was, I'd tell them. Or I'd vote with my feet. Unfortunately this is difficult if you truly care. SWFC is a business and charging a premium for a sub-standard product. So far from cheering dross performances, as a true supporter, who cares for the club, I'll voice my opinion and hopefully ignite a change. It'll be too hard to walk away. In that case you're not a fan you're a customer. Nothing wrong with that but there is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 The best way to unite the fan base would be to sack Carlos today and replace him with a manager who won’t play the same old slow, boring, dull football we currently play. We can then all get behind the new guy instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 19 hours ago, Captain Sl-OWL-ly said: Only when the fans start chantiing “Carlos out” when Chansiri is in attendance will any notice be taken, then when no action is forthcoming “Chansiri out” will be heard! What happens then is anybody’s guess.... that's the scary thing if we start chanting chansiri out he could ruin us ,he needs to sack 4-5 who run club and team and get proper football people in ,it needs addressing now cause I really wouldn't like to say how far supporters will go if carlos is still here in a few weeks as I cant see things changing on the pitch. toxic is the word . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 11 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: The best way to unite the fan base would be to sack Carlos today and replace him with a manager who won’t play the same old slow, boring, dull football we currently play. We can then all get behind the new guy instead. Sacking him will please a vocal minority. Replace him with who? Of all the ones mentioned, there's been nobody I'd want, that's hardly unity. If some think Big Sam is coming then they're in cloud cuckoo land. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: Sacking him will please a vocal minority. Replace him with who? Of all the ones mentioned, there's been nobody I'd want, that's hardly unity. If some think Big Sam is coming then they're in cloud cuckoo land. Sacking him will please the majority. Replacing him with one of many names mentioned will ensure he’s being replaced by a manager with a better incoming cv than Carlos had when he got the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: Sacking him will please the majority. Replacing him with one of many names mentioned will ensure he’s being replaced by a manager with a better incoming cv than Carlos had when he got the job. You say majority, but from where I am the outers are definitely a minority. The names mentioned have failed wherever they have been, nobody has a perfect resume. Not one of em excites me and makes me think they can do any better. Carlos has got it in his locker, he just needs a bit of luck go his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 CC has taken us as far as he can, time for a change of direction on and off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: You say majority, but from where I am the outers are definitely a minority. The names mentioned have failed wherever they have been, nobody has a perfect resume. Not one of em excites me and makes me think they can do any better. Carlos has got it in his locker, he just needs a bit of luck go his way. Cards on table time .. Do you really honestly enjoy watching wednesday under Carlos? What does he do that makes him stand out as THE manager for our beloved club ? Is Carlos the man to be our manager for the long haul ? If not who in your opinion could be your choice to replace him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Cards on table time .. Do you really honestly enjoy watching wednesday under Carlos? What does he do that makes him stand out as THE manager for our beloved club ? Is Carlos the man to be our manager for the long haul ? If not who in your opinion could be your choice to replace him? i don't think the way we play is attractive to watch just as I didn't think it was when we had the best manager ive seen in big jack but until very recently like big jack it usually gets results . ...........whether he's the man for the long haul depends if he gets us up this season .time for someone else to have go at it if he does fail ...........as for replacement I know who'd i'd want back but that aint going to happen ........some of the names out there like McLaren ,lambert, smith, heckingbottom are a bit scary ....pearson would be a decent option but think he'd want build his own team and that would probably take a year or two to sort out and whether our fans would give him that time as to be debatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: You say majority, but from where I am the outers are definitely a minority. The names mentioned have failed wherever they have been, nobody has a perfect resume. Not one of em excites me and makes me think they can do any better. Carlos has got it in his locker, he just needs a bit of luck go his way. Up until recently I’d have agreed with you pal but this season, especially after the way we were humiliated by Sheffield United at Hillsborough, I’ve seen a huge change in attitude towards Carlos, even some of the most ardent Carlos supporters I know are now starting to say it’s probably time for a change. As for replacements, it’s all down to opinions and if not one of them excites you that’s fair enough but to say they’ve all failed wherever they’ve been is just wrong. Taking for example the 3 names that were mentioned in the Sun on Sunday, Karanka, Moyes and Lambert. How can you make the sweeping generalisation that these 3 have failed wherever they’ve been when 2 of them have promotions to the Premier League on their CV’s and 1 has Champions League qualification!? Also given that Carlos has had 12 clubs in 12 years and has failed in his remit of getting us promoted to the Premier League within 2 years, I’d actually argue that there’s a greater case to say Carlos has failed at every club that he’s been at more so than the 3 other managers I’ve mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue1987 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 15 hours ago, casbahowl said: In that case you're not a fan you're a customer. Nothing wrong with that but there is a difference. I am a customer, we all are. To swfc, fan and customer are one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 7 hours ago, trueblue1987 said: I am a customer, we all are. To swfc, fan and customer are one and the same. The point is what are you ...... one or the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: You say majority, but from where I am the outers are definitely a minority. The names mentioned have failed wherever they have been, nobody has a perfect resume. Not one of em excites me and makes me think they can do any better. Carlos has got it in his locker, he just needs a bit of luck go his way. Those mentioned have failed ,yet you want Carlos in? Where exactly has he been a success ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 17/10/2017 at 23:00, trueblue1987 said: Whilst I agree, we need to support the team. As a fan, who's been here longer than DC,CC and any of the players. Part of my role,and perogative, is to voice my displeasure at the terrible football, inflated prices and below par facilities. If I went to a restaurant and it was great but then it get mega expensive and the staff no longer cared I wouldn't just keep tipping them and saying how great it was, I'd tell them. Or I'd vote with my feet. Unfortunately this is difficult if you truly care. SWFC is a business and charging a premium for a sub-standard product. So far from cheering dross performances, as a true supporter, who cares for the club, I'll voice my opinion and hopefully ignite a change. It'll be too hard to walk away. Part of my role 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, casbahowl said: The point is what are you ...... one or the other? Are you employed by the club Casbah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 3 hours ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: Are you employed by the club Casbah? Haha ..... I'm available if they want me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Haha ..... I'm available if they want me ! You have never been able to dance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Haha ..... I'm available if they want me ! Seems you are very supportive of our commercial side? Thought you might be on the payroll ? Being as you negative to anyone who slags the commercial side off I welcome your response ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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